Talk:Fadela Amara

Accent / pronunciation
I saw the name with an accent aigu on the e (Fadéla Amara) but I moved the page since I think it's less common. Is that the proper pronunciation? "FUH-day-luh"? If anyone knows that'd be great. gren グレン 02:21, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
 * The two a in Fadela are pronounced like the first a in Arkansas. The de is indeed prnounced as in day. By the way, her official name is Fatiha, not Fadela. --Pylambert (talk) 12:31, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Islamic feminist
The "category:Islamic feminist" has been removed from the article. I created the category, and think it serves as a useful way to link women from similar religious backgrounds who are fighting for their rights, whether they use secular or sharia arguments. The article on Islamic feminism makes it clear that not all of the women mentioned there are devout. Perhaps the category would be better entitled "Muslim feminists", but this is what we've got for now. Would it meet with opposition were I to re-add the category? BrainyBabe 16:16, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

It seems to me rather contradictory. Islamic feminists or at least the ones I know argue for women's rights and for interpretations of islam which encourage women's rights and flourishing. Amara has been active in trying to repress the representation of muslim religion in public places, and expelling young women with headscarves from schools etc. So I don't think she fits in the category.Johncmullen1960 (talk) 05:43, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

I have made additions to this article with which i believe you would agree places her in the category of Islamic feminism. It was completely absurd to think that a muslim woman would be in favour of genocide of fellow muslim women or a feminist to be in favour of violence against women. I read her book and she explicitly states that it would only be detrimental to deny women education on the basis of clothing. I looked into other articles making similar statements and they all come from the guardian but misrepresent the conclusions drawn in The Guardian's article as their own expert opinions. I have asked The Guardian to make a retraction but they refused on the grounds that it was an old article that would take time and effort to research. Time and effort they never put in in the original article. BrainyBabe Verify references (talk) 08:47, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

User:Carbon Caryatid your username changed and so i was uncertain if you would get the previous mention.

Verify references (talk) 08:49, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

centre-right government
We can't describe Sarkozy's government as centre-right. It is so right wing that a large section of the traditional right have broken off to form a new centre party (under Bayrou).Johncmullen1960 (talk) 13:47, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

I certainly understand your position and I (reading between the lines) don't like the Fillon government any more than you do. Nonetheless, as I'm sure you know, a significant portion of the former UDF is still part of the UMP (Méhaignerie is even a co-president); Kouchner, Jean-Marie Bockel, and Jean-Pierre Jouyet are running the foreign policy show; Éric Besson, hardly the darling of the right, is still at the Matignon. Furthermore, and more importantly, an overwhelming majority of sources still tag the UMP in general as "centre-right." Why not save the "right-wing" appellation for a government including, say, Bruno Mégret, Alain Madelin, Bruno Gollnisch, Pierre Lellouche and/or Philippe de Villiers ? It could definitely be worse. (PS - If you have a serious problem with calling the UMP "centre-right," why not take it to the UMP discussion page, where I'm sure the discussion will be more rewarding ?) Hubacelgrand (talk) 12:34, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Sources in France? That would surprise me. Maybe centre-right has different meanings in different places. In France, people like De Villiers and Mégret are *universally* termed 'far right' outside their own organizations. Johncmullen1960 (talk) 13:59, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

I think we've discovered the problem. Centre-right does mean different things in different places; because France is used to thinking of things (lately) in terms of PCF-PS-UDF-RPR, centre-right (at least the way I read it) tends to mean "centrist with rightist elements" (which the UMP is not) as opposed to "on the centre of the right side of the spectrum" (which the UMP, in my opinion, is). Again the way I read it, this usage is not much encountered outside France. We're not writing primarily for French audiences here - fortunately or not - and by European standards, the UMP is a centre-right party, even if by French standards it's simply a party of the right. If you still don't like to use "centre-right," how about "liberal-conservative" or "right-of-centre" ? Hubacelgrand (talk) 17:08, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps we could go for "Conservative"? But remember how this particular government came about, in the aftermath of the presidential campaign. And the presidential campaign was very very clearly right wing, unlike say the campaign of Jacques Chirac in 2002 which was centre-right in discourse.

The slogans of Sarkozy's campaign were "work more to earn more", re-establish the singing of the national anthem in schools, increase the number of illegal immigrants deported, back to basics in the school curriculum etc etc. I think Sarkozy himself would be amazed if not offended by the idea that he had not managed to set up a right wing government. Johncmullen1960 (talk) 09:50, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Arabic
فاضلة عمارة vs. فضيلة عمارة  I can't tell if this should have an alif after the fa or not or if it has a  ya after the. The interwiki link was just changed to remove the alif and add a ya but the AR article still has it in the opening. Google hits are about equal on each version so I can't tell from that, either. The first would be Faadellah versus Fadayla. The latter better matches the French spelling (Fadéla) and might be a transliteration back into Arabic while the former is the real name? Or... any help on this would... help. gren グレン 10:16, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Arabic dropped
Hello, I've removed the Arabic translation for two reasons: Hope you understand. --J F Blanc (talk) 10:11, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Ms Amara is French-born, she has only one official legal name - and by the way her parents come from Kabylia, an area of Algeria that does not speak Arabic.
 * For a transcription in Arabic, it is better to use the interwiki link

= Ethnicity =

Why were she a Kabylian woman and not French one ? She can indeed wears the both ethnic identities like the anthropologist Nagel said. Cf. J. Nagel « Constructing Ethnicity : Creating and Recreating Ethnic Identity and Culture », Social problems 41.1 (1994), p. 152-176. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.244.52.91 (talk) 16:03, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

a. important! lesson' on why grammar: matters. Grim?
""The most interesting point of comparison Grim offered was France. Restrictions against body coverings, like the burkas and niqabs worn by some Muslim women, have raised the country's restrictions rating, placing it just above the United States in the "moderate" category. But, Grim said, some in France believe that the ban on religious garb actually promotes freedom: When the government was debating a ban on headscarves in public schools in 2004, French politician Fadela Amara argued that "the veil is the visible symbol of the subjugation of women." ""

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/01/the-us-puts-moderate-restrictions-on-religious-freedom/283331/

this is a prime example of bad journalism. the Amara quote should have been in its own paragraph or specifically distinguished as complimentary information because the subject of the paragraph is Grims analysis of France. The use of a colon implies that it is a continuation of a paraphrase of Grim. He does not mention Amara at all in the reports but instead points to the president's public statements. he does not state at all that anyone thinks it promotes freedom. quite the opposite he just lists ways that he considers it to be oppressive. This is the author of the article attempting to inject their own opinion while pretending to report.

this is the actual quote:

"Government restrictions on religion increased substantially in two European countries, France and Serbia. In France, members of Parliament began discussing whether women should be allowed to wear the burqa, and President Nicolas Sarkozy said the head-to-toe covering was “not welcome” in French society. The French government also put pressure on religious groups it considers to be cults, including Scientologists. For example, the lead prosecutor in a fraud case involving the Church of Scientology sought to have the group declared a “criminal enterprise.” In Serbia, meanwhile, the government refused to legally register Jehovah’s Witnesses and several other minority religious groups. There also were reports that some government officials referred to minority religious groups as “sects” or other pejorative terms."

http://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/7/2011/08/RisingRestrictions-web.pdf

Verify references (talk) 10:30, 12 March 2019 (UTC)