Talk:Fahd of Saudi Arabia

Paragraph on Homosexuality is Bogus
There was never any James L. Fayed who wrote for the New York Times, and there was never any article quoting "close advisors" on Fahd's "homosexuality" and "pederasty." Stupid stuff. If you're going to defame someone, why not use the facts instead of being juvenile? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.180.182.3 (talk • contribs)


 * Removed since there is no citation, source, and the name above doesn't seem to be a New York Times writer. - Eagletalk 06:32, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

🙏 Muhammed Imran Abdul Al-Khaliq (talk) 09:06, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Pronunciation of 'Fahd'?
Or what is an acceptable pronunciation in English? Both 'Fard' and 'Fuh-HARD' are heard.


 * In Arabic, it is pronounced FA-HAD (which means "cheetah" by the way) -- Eagleamn 11:06, August 1, 2005 (UTC)

FAHAD Muhammed Imran Abdul Al-Khaliq (talk) 09:07, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

prime minister?
How can someone be their own prime minister? Is this a linguistic issue, or did he give himself the title for its cachet? BillyL 0701, 03/04/05


 * It was a tradition, before Fahd became the king, that the crown prince is the prime minister. When Fahd was the crown prince, he was also the prime minister. When he became the king, he remained the prime minister. -- Eagle 20:24, May 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * Also, Faisal was the PM as well as the king, making him an absolute ruler. It may be basically because he was only the PM before Ulema permitted him to take over the throne. -- Eagleamn 14:35, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)
 * Saudi Arabia is an absolute monarchy, King fahd can declare himself Taoiseach, if he so pleases. Klonimus 08:27, 1 August 2005 (UTC)


 * ...and the political regime has always been an absolute monarchy...although of course the air force is run by UK forces

How can someone be their own prime minister? Is this a linguistic issue, or did he give himself the title for its cachet? BillyL 0701, 03/04/05 Muhammed Imran Abdul Al-Khaliq (talk) 09:09, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

When he became the king, he remained the prime minister. Muhammed Imran Abdul Al-Khaliq (talk) 09:45, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

1 True Lord' is Our King Muhammed Imran Abdul Al-Khaliq (talk) 09:45, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

The wonders of the Wikipedia
I heard about his death on the BBC at 342 EDT, and decided to come on to update, and I was beat to it. This is why, if I may say so, the Wikipedia will ultimatly win.


 * Well, even worse, I live in Saudi Arabia, and I didn't know about it until now, when I read about his death in this article! -- Eagleamn 08:18, August 1, 2005 (UTC)

Allah, forgive him and show mercy to him Qatarson 09:29, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Allah, forgive him and show mercy to him Qatarson 09:29, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Alhamdulillah ☝🏻💐 Muhammed Imran Abdul Al-Khaliq (talk) 09:11, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Year of birth
I noticed there's a slight inconsistency in the article. It gives the year of birth as 1921 but there's a line that says "At the age of nine in 1932...". I'm not sure which one is right or wrong, so anyone who knows more could probably do something about this. Hayabusa future 15:06, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

1921 Muhammed Imran Abdul Al-Khaliq (talk) 09:13, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Birthdate?
First I read about his death at BBC News which says he was born in 1923, died in 2005, and yet somehow was 84 when he died.

Then I find Fahd which says his birthdate is "1923?".

But this article says he was born in 1921, which would indeed make him 84 when he died. Yet throughout the rest of the article, it references a birth date of 1923--"At the age of nine in 1932", "In 1953, at the age of 30", and so on.

When was he really born?


 * This site and Al Jazeera state that he was born in 1923, but as to his real date of birth, there were no meticulous records kept in Arabia in 1920s in the Saudi house. A lot of the birth dates of the Saudi princes are speculative.

Peter 15:08, 1 August 2005 (UTC)


 * The Encyclopedia Britannica says that he was the first son of Hasa Sudairi after her remarriage to King Al-Saud, and that he was born in 1923. I presume that means they had figured it out that he had to have been born in 1923, due to discrepancies in the dates between the marriage to her former spouse and to the King.
 * Does anyone know when she married Al-Saud, and how many daughters they had before the birth of King Faud?
 * WB2 05:42, 2 August 2005 (UTC)


 * I think I'm gonna change it back; unless there are any objections?
 * WB2 05:58, 2 August 2005 (UTC)


 * O.K. I think I see where they got the 1921 date from: Helen Chapin Metz Saudi Arabia, A Country Study (1992)
 * But she says that Fahd was born in 1921, Abd Allah was born in 1923, and Sultan was born in 1927.
 * Isn't that supposed to be Abdallah; and I think Sultan was born January 5, 1928.
 * WB2 05:15, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Someone should add more information on his relationship with the United States during his reign as King DigiBullet 15:15, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Birthdate revisited
This edit on 6 June 2009 changed his birthdate from 1921 to 16 March 1920, without any citation. (That IP made 9 edits to WP on 6 and 7 June 2009, but nothing before or since.)

On 19 September 2009, this edit changed the date to 16 March 1921, without any citation. (It was that IP’s sole contribution to WP.)

And that’s what the date’s been shown as ever since. Unless someone can come up with a citation for a specific date, I intend to revert it to plain old 1921. --  Jack of Oz    ... speak! ...   01:30, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

And again...
I spent some time searching and had trouble finding sources that independently claimed 1920 or 1921 (they were generally copied from WP or another source that had earlier copied from WP). There are two docs on the Saudi embassy site that confirm 1923, and one has a statement about his age in a certain year that is consistent with 1923. I'm going to go ahead and change the dates back to 1923 and cite the sources. —&#91; Alan M 1  (talk) &#93;— 08:09, 29 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I support that. --  ♬  Jack of Oz  ♬  [your turn]  10:44, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

16 May 1921 Muhammed Imran Abdul Al-Khaliq (talk) 09:19, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

King Faisal Mosque
Why does this article have a picture of the King Faisal Mosque in Islamabad. It's not clear what it has to do with King Fahd. Shouldn't either its provenance be explained or alternatively be removed? jguk 20:04, 1 August 2005 (UTC)


 * The only reason I can think of for it being there is that he built it and named it after Faisal. In any case, this isn't explained in the article and the picture isn't particularly relevant anyway. It also appears to be a copyvio. &mdash; Trilobite (Talk) 01:23, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

They are! Muhammed Imran Abdul Al-Khaliq (talk) 09:31, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Attendee's at funeral
BRITAIN - The Prince of Wales

UNITED STATES Delegation of diplomats. May include George Bush Snr

AUSTRALIA - Michael Jeffery, Governor-General

FRANCE - President Jacques Chirac

AFGHANISTAN - President Hamid Karzai

ALGERIA - President Abdelaziz Bouteflika

ARAB LEAGUE - Amr Moussa, Secretary-General

AZERBAIJAN - President Ilham Aliyev

BAHRAIN - King Hamad bin Isa al-Khalifa

BANGLADESH - President Iajuddin Ahmed

BOSNIA-HERZEGOVINA - Prime Minister Adnan Terzic

BRUNEI - Sultan Hassanal Bolkiah

CHINA - Hui Liangyu, a special envoy of President Hu Jintao and a vice premier

CZECH REPUBLIC - President Vaclav Klaus and first Deputy Foreign Minister Jan Winkler

EGYPT - President Hosni Mubarak

INDONESIA - Jusuf Kalla, Vice President

IRAQ - Prime Minister Ibrahim Jaafari and President Jalal Talabani

JORDAN - King Abdullah and Queen Rania will head delegation

LEBANON - President Emile Lahoud and Prime Minister Fouad Siniora lead delegation

MAURITANIA - President Maaouya Ould Sid’Ahmed Taya

MOROCCO - Prince Rachid, younger brother of King Mohammed

NIGERIA - Atiku Abubakar, Vice-President

OMAN - Sultan Qaboos

PAKISTAN - President Pervez Musharraf

PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY President Mahmoud Abbas

PHILIPPINES - Vice President Noli de Castro

SENEGAL - President Abdoulaye Wade

SOUTH KOREA - Prime Minister Lee Hae-chan

SRI LANKA - Prime Minister Mahinda Rajapaksa

SYRIA - President Bashar al-Assad

THAILAND - Kantathi Suphamongkhon, Foreign Minister

TURKEY - Abdullah Gul, Foreign Minister

UNITED ARAB EMIRATES - President Sheikh Khalifa bin Zayed al-Nahayan

YEMEN - President Ali Abdullah Saleh

Following his education at the Princes' School, Fahd moved on to the Religious Knowledge Institute in Mecca, where he studied Wahhabi Islam. " no such institute exists in makkah, although there is a dar-al-hadith (House of Knowledge/narrations) but it is HIGHLY unlikely that he attended there because it is a strict seminary only for the devout and willing. Heavy, in a nutshell.

Its more like "oud" cemetary rather than "od".

The bit about "Fundamentalism, Iran, and Islamic education" is abit sketchy and needs editing. it alludes that the shia were responsible for the hostage taking in the holy mosque in makkah. it wasnt the shia, it was an extremist sect from the eastern province. also it happened during the reign of khalid not fahd. but the shias did stage a protest in makkah during the hajj season in the 1980s and caused alot of bloodshed, but this is not mentioned in the article. all in all tht bit needs quite abit of improvement to conform to historical accuracy. Muhammed Imran Abdul Al-Khaliq (talk) 09:22, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Date of death
Was on July 31, 2005. Why dates used in Wikipedia are that of anouncement in the US and not local dates?

King Fahad Ghooz bin Abdul Aziz Al-Saud Muhammed Imran Abdul Al-Khaliq (talk) 09:39, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Fundamentalism, Iran, and Islamic education
"Following his education at the Princes' School, Fahd moved on to the Religious Knowledge Institute in Mecca, where he studied Wahhabi Islam. " no such institute exists in makkah, although there is a dar-al-hadith (House of Knowledge/narrations) but it is HIGHLY unlikely that he attended there because it is a strict seminary only for the devout and willing. Heavy, in a nutshell.

Its more like "oud" cemetary rather than "od".

The bit about "Fundamentalism, Iran, and Islamic education" is abit sketchy and needs editing. it alludes that the shia were responsible for the hostage taking in the holy mosque in makkah. it wasnt the shia, it was an extremist sect from the eastern province. also it happened during the reign of khalid not fahd. but the shias did stage a protest in makkah during the hajj season in the 1980s and caused alot of bloodshed, but this is not mentioned in the article. all in all tht bit needs quite abit of improvement to conform to historical accuracy --Blingpling 09:39, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Name
What's this bit about him being called "King Fahad gooz-bin Abdul Aziz al-Saud"? The "gooz" bit doesn't appear in the Arabic writing in the article, in fact Arabic doesn't even have a 'g' unless you are including 'ghain', then it would be ghooz, and anyway I have never heard of "gooz" before. Is this just an act of vandalism?

Apologies if I'm talking bilge due to limited knowledge of Arabic!

Milvinder 14:08, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

It was vandalism which was removed. -- Ķĩřβȳ ♥  Ťįɱé  Ø  09:46, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Copyedit tags
Huge chunks of this gross, bloated article need to be stripped out and thrown away. This is a biography, not a hagiography, and not The History and Government and Economy and Educational System of the Exalted Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Gene Nygaard 16:22, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I know very little Arabic, but as far as I can tell, the name of the dynasty is آل سعود, which should be transliterated as "Al Saud" = house of Saud, and not "al-Saud" = the Saud. In the former, the "al" is a separate word, and in the latter, the "al" is a prefix denoting the definite article, hence the hyphen. Is the distinction I am making correct at all? The "al-Saud" combination is very common in Wikipedia, and it seems incorrect to me, does any of you know?--Doron 12:57, 11 January 2007 (UTC) Muhammed Imran Abdul Al-Khaliq (talk) 09:25, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

This is the longest article i have ever seen
You need to reduce the contents it is too long!--HalaTruth(ሀላካሕ) 03:33, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * And indeed, it is WP's longest on any person, living or dead. Issues with its excessiveness, along with tone and grammar concerns, will have to be addressed tomorrow at WP:PR. --Slgrandson (page - messages - contribs) 00:05, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, the length issue has already been addressed by another editor. All the fancrufty nonsense copied directly from another website has been removed. The article has now been reduced by half. Jeffpw 12:00, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

"Al Saud" or "al-Saud"
I know very little Arabic, but as far as I can tell, the name of the dynasty is آل سعود, which should be transliterated as "Al Saud" = house of Saud, and not "al-Saud" = the Saud. In the former, the "al" is a separate word, and in the latter, the "al" is a prefix denoting the definite article, hence the hyphen. Is the distinction I am making correct at all? The "al-Saud" combination is very common in Wikipedia, and it seems incorrect to me, does any of you know?--Doron 12:57, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Children
The offspring section is missing on the number of daughters he has, due to censorship, why is this not mentioned?Tourskin 21:05, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Because there is no accurate information pertaining to how many daughters the King had. So its best left out then to add something that has been stirred up by hearsay. (Ace1875 07:16, 11 November 2007 (UTC))

Fahad Muhammed Imran Abdul Al-Khaliq (talk) 09:23, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Fahad Muhammed Imran Abdul Al-Khaliq (talk) 09:23, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Fahad Muhammed Imran Abdul Al-Khaliq (talk) 09:23, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Number of wives
Please add more information on Jawhara al-Ibrahim and other wives.--71.108.3.62 (talk) 12:03, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Fahd > Fahad?
This page move was done without discussion. It needs to be discussed. It might be closer to the true pronunciation, but it's still NOT the way the name is generally spelt in the West. People will be looking for an article on Fahd, not one on Fahad. --  Jack of Oz    ... speak! ...   20:48, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
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cleaning
The article is already unorganized, the following section also makes it further complicated and it will be mentioned within the article. So, I put them below. Egeymi (talk) 13:47, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

See also


 * King Fahd International Airport
 * King Fahd Causeway
 * King Fahd University for Petroleum and Minerals
 * Malek Fahd Islamic School
 * King Faisal University
 * King Fahd Islamic Cultural Center

Soccer tournaments
 * FIFA Confederations Cup (former King Fahd Cup)
 * King Fahd Cup 1992
 * King Fahd Cup 1995

King Fahad helped to canonize the 1925(Heavenly) version of the Qu'ran.

Very important event in Islam and should be included 134.148.67.185 (talk) 05:23, 11 October 2014 (UTC) Muhammed Imran Abdul Al-Khaliq (talk) 09:32, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Really Important Muhammed Imran Abdul Al-Khaliq (talk) 09:37, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Plagiarized "recreation" section
This section has sentences copied word-for-word from page 146 of Lawrence Wright's "The Looming Tower: Al-Qaeda And the road to 9/11" Anvilamster (talk) 05:16, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Abdullah was regent for the rest of King Fahad's life. Muhammed Imran Abdul Al-Khaliq (talk) 09:30, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Responsibility for creating the Qu'ran
King Fahd helped to canonize the 1925 version of the Qu'ran. Very important event in Islam and should be included 134.148.67.185 (talk) 05:23, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Islam | Sunnahs Muhammed Imran Abdul Al-Khaliq (talk) 09:47, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Abdullah's regency
In the article, it says that King Fahd resumed his monarchial duties in February 1996. Yet, also it claims that Abdullah was regent for the rest of Fahd life. Which is it? GoodDay (talk) 12:37, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Religion
OluwaCurtis, do you want to say that I vandalized Wikipedia because I changed the religion of the former King Fahd of Saudi Arabia from Islam to Sunni Islam???

May I ask you: "What do you think which branch of Islam the kings of Saudi Arabia follow?" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.228.137.169 (talk) 13:33, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

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Edits regarding his birthday by Beatbo
@Beatbo, Please provide your reference before editing, don't revert again without discussing first, or you may be reported for Edit warring.

@Thai.60, please provide your source on the same. UA3 (talk) 20:17, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
 * From my perspective his addition of birth date seems not controversial because many other subsections of this project such as Russian, Spanish, Italian and Japanese label birth date as 16 March. Like, there should be an obvious reason why they have it mentioned that way (and yes, non of them have it sourced either).--Biografer (talk) 20:27, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
 * A source is needed. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 20:48, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
 * This was discussed here before, there's no reliable source mentions March 16 as his birthdate. UA3 (talk) 20:50, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Understand, but then explain why the other subprojects have it unsourced? Obviously year of birth is nothing to have a dispute over?--Biografer (talk) 21:33, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
 * What happens on the other Wikis is not our concern here. You can go and remove it from them if they have it unsourced. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 21:54, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Its odd that its not our concern. Wikipedia have many subprojects which makes it a whole Wikipedia. True, language and some rules can be different from project to project, but sourcing or not sourcing should be mandatory. By the way, user already started the mass removal of it in various subsections of our projects, so thanks all. :)--Biografer (talk) 22:31, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

I said its not our concern here. Discuss the changes on the relevant Wikis please. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 22:46, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Everything is fine, chill out man.--Biografer (talk) 02:36, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

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NPOV
Improvements need to be made to the article. There are numerous statements similar to "...publicly endorsed Sheikh Abd al-Aziz ibn Baz's warning to young Saudis to avoid the path of evil by not travelling to Europe and the United States," that need to be addressed. Zkidwiki (talk) 02:03, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Religion column
Please change Religion column and remove "Wahhabi" to make it just "Sunni Islam" because he didn't belong to any religious movement. Karim saad (talk) 17:59, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I only removed "Wahhabi", Hanbali is a madhhab (Sunni School) not a movement. Regards, UA3 (talk) 18:59, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi, King Fahd was not a follower of a certain madhhab, he stated in many occasions that he is a Muslim Sunni only. Moreover; he was not applying the Hunbali mudhhab in his life and behaviors. I suggest to remove Hunbali and keep Muslim Sunni. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.254.17.251 (talk) 19:53, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I think you're making a good point, madhab doesn't need to be mentioned with the another main madhab, I removed it. UA3 (talk) 13:40, 7 September 2019 (UTC)