Talk:FairPlay

iTunes 8.1.1 and Requiem 1.8.8
Requiem 1.8.8 appears to work with iTunes 8.1.1. I've updated the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zerocool3001 (talk • contribs) 05:08, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Veridisc 'rumoured' to have created FairPlay
For some reason, there are a bunch of references to Veridisc's FairPlay technology as 'possibly' having been made by them. If you go to their website, there are about a billion mentions of FairPlay everywhere you look. Maybe this was true in the past, but definitely not now, so I've scrubbed the ambiguousness of these claims.

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Re-encoding AAC
It has been suggested on the article page that re-encoding from a CD using AAC will yield a file with the same sound quality as the original. I've googled around on this and found nothing to suggest this is the case. On the contrary:

http://hymn-project.org/jhymndoc/jhymn_faq.php#rip

If anyone feels the need to revert my edit, please cite something beyond wild fantasy or "AAC is full quality, duh :-)"

Cheers, Chris 12:03, 15 September 2005 (UTC)


 * I back you up 100% on this, whoever wrote that is deluded or misinformed. I think your changes are fine. Graham 00:19, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

I'm one can avoid most of the loss of quality on reencoding by using a higher bit rate than the original file (assuming the same quality of encoder). But I don't see any mention of what bitrates ipods support (if there is any limitations).

Video FairPlay
This article should be updated with information regarding the new FairPlay for video.

PlayFair should be its own article
The PlayFair disambig page wikilinks to the FairPlay article which can be confusing, though there is a blurb on PlayFair at the bottom of FairPlay. In addition to the synopsis there I think PlayFair should get its own article. What do people think? zen master T 00:33, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Copying to CD and the DMCA
If it is being done with a utility provided by Apple then there is no circumvention.
 * But is then reconverting it to a non-CD, non-DRMed copy then circumventing it? It may sound absurd to say "yes", but I'd almost think that there's a case to be made there. Phil Urich 10:00, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
 * No. There's no case to be made, because the DRM has been removed in the first step, using a “device” provided by the vendor. Ajhoughton (talk) 17:44, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Harmony
I think this is a rather one-sided treatment, it makes it sound like Real had no popular support for their scheme when this wasn't true.

Regardless of what *some* people thought of the petition, others mocked Apple for their actions. There was an article in a well known paper (was it the WSJ? I forget) in which the author pointed out that Real was not "breaking into" anything except maybe the Jobsian platonic ideal of the iPod.


 * If u burn an AAC to a stadnard audio CD can u repid into MP3? Thats what I do w/ my real audio files, I have the free real palyer which doesnt let u convert, but I can burn to a CD and then rip the track into a better audio format! RealG187 18:14, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, you can. Ajhoughton (talk) 17:45, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

VLC and FairPlay protected files?
This article claims that VLC can play iTunes protected files, while trying it on my own computer yeilds no results. I also haven't seen any mention of this on the VLC website. Any reference? - Josh 00:07, 2 May 2006 (UTC) http://boingboing.net/2004/03/26/dvd-jon-on-vlc-and-a.html

Cracking???
I believe the term "cracking" is inaccurate to describe a reverse-engineering process. The latter is perfectly legal, unlike the former. In my opinion, the BBC article cited as source is inaccurate itself. 25 October, GMT+1 20.04

Cracking expanded
I, and perhaps others as well, would like to know to get around these DRM's (or if its not possible, you could say so, too). But has anyone ever assessed whether the DRM *might* be unduly restricting other legal uses of the files? - Josh

iTunes 8 and Requiem
Since new 'big number' versions of iTunes are usually when FairPlay gets changed, the section on Requiem needs to be updated with whether iTunes 8 affects it or not. Cynical (talk) 18:06, 9 September 2008 (UTC)


 * done. the freenode page has been updated with a note about itunes 8, so i don't even have to rely on my "original research" :) PeterWoodman (talk) 18:32, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Should the FreeNet url for Requiem be included in this article? freenet:USK@GSQgFDoeQUG0cSkbUVYYkB-ssqEEavRdo-RDVEAm0jk,rVvV3LjSZq3UNdGJrrupZBPq4ohBhJeKkREXDLULw,AQACAAE/requiem/-1/

207.62.155.78 (talk) 09:02, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

iTunesDB hash takedown
Apple have sent a DMCA takedown notice claiming reverse-engineering the latest version of the iTunesDB hash is circumventing FairPlay. TRS-80 (talk) 05:10, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It should also be noted that after the EFF were involved in the defence, Apple retreated. 203.129.33.32 (talk) 04:02, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Linking to Requiem torrent
There should not be any links to torrents of any type, nor to Requiem, as it violates WP:ELNO and WP:RS and could render Wikimedia liable to a lawsuit for encouraging or facilitating the violation of copyright. Stifle (talk) 10:26, 14 January 2010 (UTC) Requiem itself is not a copyrighted technology. The ENLO only recommends against linking to external pages that directly contain copyrighted material for which the site does not have a license. There is no prohibition on linking to sites that "encourage or facilitate violation of copyright". Also, Requiem itself has not been legally demonstrated to be illegal or a tool designed solely to infringe copyright. It is exists on tor (and torrent) sites simply due to a cease and desist letter sent to the original site by Apple. Until it is demonstrated to be solely for the purpose of violating copyright it can remain as a legitimate link.--66.121.140.72 (talk) 21:35, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Article too audio-specific
My understanding is that FairPlay is a general purpose DRM format; for example, Apple is currently using it to encrypt eBooks purchased through the iTunes Store. Someone more knowledgeable than me needs to find references and add info or edit this article to remove the music-centric focus. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.255.98.79 (talk) 20:05, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just added archive links to 2 one external links on FairPlay. Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/20080522121129/http://hymn-project.org:80/jhymndoc/ to http://www.hymn-project.org/jhymndoc/
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/20071018062134/http://macrovision.com:80/company/1430_5331.htm to http://www.macrovision.com/company/1430_5331.htm

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Cheers. —cyberbot II  Talk to my owner :Online 11:31, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Use of FairPlay in iBooks and video, including Safari's HTML5 EME
This article should be expanded with the other uses of FairPlay, I don't know enough about the subject myself. I was reading up on DRM in html, and found this article lacking any mention of it. --Entlantian (talk) 10:00, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Still alive
Hi, The article lets us think the FairPlay system doesn't exixt anymore. But it is still very well alive. I'm currently working with Bouygues Telecom, which uses it to stream OTT television to their Iphone app "B.TV". 2A01:E0A:4:B680:70E0:7FD0:DCAC:6D11 (talk) 10:52, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Yes, this deserves further elaboration. I have a connection to the subject and should not do so, but it would be good to cover how Fairplay is used for streaming video, streaming audio, and even apps from the app store ("FairPlay Code Encryption") 207.53.255.126 (talk) 19:47, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Extended DRM free conversation in intro seems wrong
The intro talks about DRM free on a DRM article. Perhaps the extended DRM free conversation should be moved out of the intro? Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 18:50, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Lack of information regarding FairPlay 2, use in iBooks, Videos, Apple TV+, Apple Music lossless, etc.
This article only refers to the original FairPlay algorithm, and as it is used in music. This article should be expanded to include information regarding it's use in other types of media such as video content & books. The article also lacks information regarding the FairPlay 2 algorithm, which is in use by Apple TV+ & Apple Music Lossless, which uses a custom HLS stream archive (movpkg). TheLMGN (talk) 17:59, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

What was the name of the class-action lawsuit against apple in 2005?
Although most sources report that claims had been filed in January 2005 against Apple pertaining to FairPlay's perceived trust (in breach of antitrust laws) nowhere in this article is such a case cited; the closest lawsuit I have found would be Somers v. Apple, Inc. which was filed in 2013. However, the filing dates do not match with December 2014 as described in the article.

Is there anyone who would have an idea which case is correct? 50.207.252.198 (talk) 03:28, 2 January 2024 (UTC)