Talk:Fake it till you make it

Article cleanup and original source copied from
This article is copied mostly from http://mindbodycoach.org/fake-till-make/ but doesn't cite any sources, so it seems unreliable. It was originally cited at the end of the article but I'm not sure if it should be used for any in-article citations since it doesn't really add anything except for (maybe) a perspective of someone's personal experience. Micro32 22:09, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Proper category
Does this count as more of a slogan or a motto? Captain Zyrain 00:44, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm thinking it's a slogan, so I've changed the category. Captain Zyrain 00:47, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * This topic needs to be updated to reflect the increased credibility and social acceptance that the catchphrase 'fake it til you make it' gave to frauders in the 2010s. See Theranos, Nikola. See also 'Wrong and strong'. 2A02:A311:4339:2380:854B:F75D:296D:5D7C (talk) 10:07, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

TDD
This also a mantra in the Test Driven Development techniques, where the sense is slightly different. Maybe this should be added? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="auchris is the best entune

Removed sentence
I removed this:
 * The technique is somewhat controversial in sales settings; Take Your Team to the Top claims "That you can’t 'fake it till you make it' because you can never be consciously aware of all the things that give you away as a fraud".

Captain Zyrain 18:22, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

TED talk
A presentation where she talks about how it measurably impacts your brain and hormones to fake certain things. http://www.ted.com/talks/amy_cuddy_your_body_language_shapes_who_you_are.html

Sd4dfg2 (talk) 02:28, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Ted Talk corrected link: https://www.ted.com/talks/amy_cuddy_your_body_language_may_shape_who_you_are/c — Preceding unsigned comment added by Agbneill (talk • contribs) 08:01, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Simon & Garfunkel Reference
The article contained the line:


 * The earliest direct reference is a Simon & Garfunkel song "Fakin' It" released in 1968 as a single and also on their BOOKENDS album. There Simon sings "And I know I'm fakin' it, I'm not really makin' it."

I think the phrasing is disingenuous. Simon is not saying "Fake it til you make it", and could plausibly be unfamiliar with the phrase. In line with the theme of the song, he's "faking" a lot of things, and in contrast to the advice contained in the aphorism, he's speaking regretfully and with doubt about the lifestyle of "faking it". Whereas "Fake it 'til you make it" says "Hey, it's OK if you don't know what you're doing, you'll get there by faking it," Simon instead says, "Even if I look like I've got it all together, if you could see inside my head you'd see I don't." Which is like a flip-side to this coin. Relevant, maybe, but really not a "direct reference" in my opinion.

It wouldn't bother me, except in a recent episode of the [|Hot Ones] show, they erroneously quote Simon & Garfunkel as creating the phrase "Fake it 'til you make it", which is clearly incorrect, in my opinion.

--Dabizi~enwiki (talk) 14:54, 20 August 2021 (UTC)