Talk:Fall Out Boy/Archive 1

relevance
How does "Note that, since the character's name refers to nuclear fallout (in accordance to the comic book's theme), it is H                  y written as Fallout Boy." have any relevance to the band Fall Out Boy's biography? The fact is, the band spells it's name with 3 seperate words, not 2 words. That hlittle exerpt is a grammar lesson, not anything about the band. I moved it.
 * Uh.. background on the band's name is not relevant to the band? -VJ 04:21, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I was not saying that the background was not relevent, I was saying the grammar lesson I quoted, which i will quote again because you did not read it: "Note that, since the character's name refers to nuclear fallout (in accordance to the comic book's theme), it is more appropriately written as Fallout Boy." has nothing to do with the band's name. It is a grammar lesson.Spuddy 17 05:52, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I read it the first time, but the "grammar lesson" (the fact that the "fall out" in "fall out boy" was originally "fallout" is not a grammar lesson - it's clarifying between the two words "fall" and "out" and the distinctly different single word "fallout") is stating the etymology of the band's namesake. The band did not simply change the spelling of "fallout" to "fall out," it changed the literal meaning (if one were to be derived). Maybe it should be reworded to reflect that, but it isn't a "grammar lesson" and it isn't irrelevant. -VJ 10:55, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
 * On second thought, I agree. What I just wrote is pretty different from what you took out. Agreed that as I just stated it, it's relevant? -VJ 10:57, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I really don't understand your last comment, but I think you were confused, but now you understand. It's ok, though. The band has never called themselves "Fallout Boy," it has always been "Fall Out Boy." Someone was pointing out that 'Fallout" is one word, not two, so the band is incorrect. I was saying that really has nothing to do with the band, because regardless of how the band spells it's name, it is what it is. It's basically like going to the band Korn's page and saying the word is correctly spelled "corn." Spuddy 17 21:29, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Regarding the band name, shouldn't the fan that screamed "Fallout Boy!" be spelled like that, the correct way? (The article says "Fall Out Boy") If the name is derived from the Simpsons character, then it would be two words, not three.

Miscellaneous
"Fall Out Boy has a good-sized fanbase, and may have some staying power." What does good-sized mean? And what's the unreferenced speculation doing here on wikipedia? 207.172.155.74 00:47, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

The Stump page says they are pop-punk.
 * They are not pop-punk. That is an insult to bands that are pop-punk... bsides, pop-punk is a total contradiction... Punk is against the mainstream and pop is the mainstream.
 * Some of Fall Out Boy's older stuff is "pop punk," the new album, not so much. However just because you don't like a band does not mean they are not a certain genre of music. Spuddy 17 22:29, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Edit Information
Tour History Release date for the Vinyl Clarification on who joined the band third, Stump or Hurley Consistent capitalization and punctuation for titles (making sure they are all the same in terms of what is capitalized in titles, and uniformity in quotation marks Pictures for the albums and a picture of the band if you can find a place to get them with permission Producer/recorder for each album — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bdegfcunbbfv (talk • contribs) 21:10, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Edits Needed

Discography
That needs to be only a listing of albums, singles, etc.. (in keeping with the other wiki band pages) and the indivual info of each work needs to be a separate article.--Esprit15d 16:23, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

drr
answer to a question:
 * When he was a little boy, Fall Out Boy bassist and lyricist Pete Wentz enjoyed reading “Curious George,” “Babar” and Richard Scarry books, but his favorite children’s book was “The Story of Ferdinand” by Munro Leaf. The story, about a giant bull who sits under a cork tree and smells flowers instead of getting into the ring and battling a bullfighter, was so inspirational to Wentz that he titled the band’s breakthrough record From Under the Cork Tree.
 * P.S.go on the official website if you have so many questions...

Patrick's last name
Patrick has changed his last name from Stumph to Stump. Please stop changing his last name to Stumph. Spuddy 17 01:31, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Confirmation that the band's name is from The Simpsons
From an |interview with Matt Groening, creator of The Simpsons: Crave Online: What do you think of the band Fall Out Boy?

Matt Groening: What an honor. Fall Out Boy the rock band named itself after the sidekick of Radioactive Man played by Millhouse. I hope they don't have too many regrets.

Davecort 08:02, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Indie days?
They were never indie, I don't care if take this to your grave was the #17 US Top Indie Album, it does not, in any way, fit in with the indie genre. can we please get rid of this? I mean honestly.

They were on an indie record label and unknown for a long time before they moved over to Island...

Still has some vandalism
I am mistaken. There is no vandalism on this page, and Fallout boy is 100% garbage. I am pretty sure the line "Petey and Patrick get it on!!!!!!" has not replaced any useful info.

Pilo1000 10:06, 12 January 2007 (UTC) Amen

It's time to clean up emo
People need to learn what emo really is. It's not fringes, tight jeans and suicide. It's not Fall Out Boy, it's not Panic! At The Disco, it's not even My Chemical Romance. It's Rites Of Spring. It's Moss Icon. It's Saves The Day. It's Jawbreaker. It can't be applied to a person, a person is not a genre.

I hope one day people understand this, especially stupid fucking magazines.

Love, Valkyrie Missile

I agree - I think emo should be removed as a term to describe Fall Out Boy. This problem of labeling non-emo bands as emo stems from the fact that the emo (slang) article has not been written effectively. The actual Emo article is quite inciteful as to what emo is.

Coldcroc 21:01, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree. People have no idea what emo is. Just because the bassist commited suicide does not make a band emo. It's a sad world when we have to point our fingers and laugh at people who are really depressed/suicidal.

no i think that emo should stay all emo really is just like the lyric such as "you look so good in blue" and the way you can read in to them so in a way they are emo i mean look at sugar were going down that song is deep and i mean deep no matter what you write there emo and you say it like it's a bad thing.

with all due respect, fall out boy is emo. of course, they're not hardcore punk in any way, so "emotionally charged hardcore punk" doesn't really fit them, but that was old emo. unfortunately, emo's changed to fit bands like MCR and TBS etc. It's not the bassist that makes the band emo, but instead, the lyrics. the lyrics are often kinda sad...and if a bassist is really the lyric writer, and writes emo lyrics, and the band plays them, it unfortunately, makes the band an emo band. however, that doesn't mean the band members are emo, but instead their music is simply emo. Itachi1452 01:15, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Not back-up vocalist
Sure, at shows, Pete screams and sings 2 notes, but hes not a back up. i can tell you that right now.

I have something to tell you, HE IS A BACK-UP VOCALIST. It's him screaming in the background on the recorded tracks too, that makes him a back-up vocalist.

nu-emo
on the simple plan page somebody thought of pop punk revival to describe bands like simplebrandon southwell likes britney spears !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!plan and good charlotte. it kept from the stupid articles since its there own genre... we need something like nu-emo or emo revival or something to do with these kinds of bands--67.66.95.196 04:53, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It's not their own genre. Pop-Punk is pop punk. If you see, that page is going to get merged. We don't need a new page for each stage of a movement. Should we have a 40's Rock, 50's Rock, 60's Rock. Or how about a UK Punk, US Punk. Okay, It's just punk. K.I.S.S. Keep it simple. We don't need a whole new genre because a few disagreers feel that it doesnt fit the mold. --DieHard2k5 | Talk 16:36, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Hell then, lets just merge all music genre articles into one article. Music is music.

Block
I think it would be wise to put a temporary block on the page. The vandals from that rediculous livejournal community are going to keep coming here. Spuddy 17 20:22, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I am seriously thinking about semi-protecting it again. I'll let it go another hour or so and if we see more vandalism, throw on semi-protection for a bit. --GraemeL (talk) 20:25, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Please semi-block it man... -Ababil
 * I happened by this page for a reference to see it was redirected to Pansy. Could use a lock. CharlieP216 23:09, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Fall Out Boy Is Emo
Seriously, Fall Out Boy is whiny and poppy like all those other emo bands (sorry if my description sounds POV, I can't stand this band or emo quite frankly). Protozoic Waste

Alright, if you think FOB is emo, your are probably 15, and constantly exclaim to your bro friends that "emos cut themselves and i eat them for breakfast on my dirtbike" GTFO right now, leave wikipedia and never come back, you have no idea what emo is. I would say FOB is simple pop-rock.

Your intelligence is baffeling, so people who think Fall Out Boy is Emo, are automatically 15? When the artcle on Fall Out Boy clearly states in their genre is emo.


 * since wen is it so bad to b emo and even if they r it doesnt mean there like every other band out there, hav u ever just mayb realized that they might just b good, and since wen did an emo band make a song thats titled Dance, Dance or Saturday....now u see my point there good thats it thats y they hav fans and thats y they hav fans like me who get pissed wen ppl like u try to bad mouth them by saying there just like every other band wen there not and im not saying that there better then other band but there not the same as other bands!
 * Fall Out Boy is not emo, and if you think "whiny and poppy" = emo, then might I suggest you educating yourself on what emo really is. Spuddy 17 02:07, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Most emo sounds pretty whiny to me....I think it may be an apt description (less the poppy part).
 * Then what "emo" music are you listening to? Spuddy 17 06:59, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 * ahh get off the internet you emo. nightpotato
 * What the hell is wrong with you people? Emo is a genre of music, stop calling people "emos," thats so stupid. Emo is EMOTIVE POST-HARDCORE, do you really think Fall Out Boy fits that description? NO. They're pop-punk. Reiver 17:30, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
 * The term emo has taken a different usage over the past few years. I agree that Fallout Boy is more "emoish" than Pop-punk (I think of bands like Good Charlotte, mxpx and blink 182 as pop-punk). Fall out boy is even mentioned in the article on emo. Flyerhell 06:26, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
 * To give you all some perspective: Rolling Stone magazine calls them a "tightly-wrapped emo/punk-pop hybrid." And then again, this is what the Fall Out Boy official website says (this should settle it, but then again, it probably won't): "One of the best ways to understand what Fall Out Boy are is to realize what they are not. Their music contains elements of punk and pop, but they aren’t pop-punk. Likewise, their songs are emotional and their lyrics can be poignant, but they’re certainly not emo. By tapping into elements of their favorite styles, the bandmembers are able to attain their own sound whilst standing apart from the pack."  OK, you can resume arguing now.
 * It has been widely seen in the local area around here (and yes, still by fans like myself) that Fall Out Boy is emo. They're pop/punk/emo in my book. I'd say a song like "Sugar, We're Goin' Down," or however you spell it, is more pop, while "Dance, Dance" is much more emo in content. --Discharger12 06:57, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * How exactly is fall out boy emo again? I'm not asking this question to bash them because I think that their second album is great and their new album is pretty good, I just think of them as a pop punk band. Who cares what your scene says? Unless it's DC, they're wrong. --Zombies!!!
 * ok. i know most of u wont take this into acknowledgement, but i consider fall out boy emo. jsut because i know their not punk because absolutely none of their songs are about antigovernment or anarchism, pop punk is an oxymoron so i refuse to accept the fact that it is acually the name of a music category, and because emo strickly stands for "emotional rock" and that is exactly what their songs are about. i mean doesnt the lyric "im watching u 2 from the closet wishing to b the friction in ur jeans" in sugar were going down pretty mutch define an emotional kid thatis dying to have sex with the girl that he likes? however, i watched the mtv making the videoof a little less sixteen candles, and pete says directly to the camera "so any people are up in arms about 'oh their emo, oh their pop punk' butin reality, we tried to break away from genres, and our music isnt anything its just fall out boy music, and fall out boy is what we are." so waht that says to me is, ppl stop whinning about what category their in, and just listen to the damn music if u like it and if u dont, then dont.--Late Leo 23:28, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
 * For some reason, the genre was switched to *just* emo... so I changed it back. --Discharger12 05:30, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Fall out boy is totally not emo! It is punk rock!
 * Fall Out Boy are to Punk Rock what Britney Spears is to Jazz. They are an Emo band, not only in their songs but their appearance.
 * Fall Out Boy's lyrics are emo. Their music is pop-punk. That's what there Myspace page says. Again, labels really don't matter. It's just the music guys.
 * Go to the Wiki page for Emo, meaning EMOTIONAL HARDCORE by the way, and tell me FOB is an emo band. They're not. GreenLanternDC 06:06, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
 * When making an argument, don't just point to something and say, "See, its obvious!" The emo page does nothing to say that FOB isn't emo.  In fact, it actually goes against your argument, as one line states:
 * "newer bands began to emulate the more mainstream style, creating a style of music that has now earned the moniker emo within popular culture. Whereas, even in the past, the term emo was used to identify a wide variety of bands, the breadth of bands listed under today's emo is even more vast, leaving the term "emo" as more of a loose identifier than as a specific genre of music."
 * Emo is not a cut-and-dry genre, so I don't think anyone can definitely say "Oh, FOB is emo" or "FOB is completely NOT emo". —Akrabbim 21:41, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed, even if they're not nobody-loves-me-so-I'm-crying-by-myself-in-the-rain emo, they're still definately a part of the emo movement. I mean, it's not like emo is a dirty word.  Really.  In all honesty, what's wrong with music being a little "emotional"?  witchbaby 05:47, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
 * For those who believe they aren't emo, I'd like to point out the vast majority of their teenage fans believe they are. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.153.192.68 (talk • contribs).
 * How about you guys quit all the retarded banter. What say we agree to disagree...but agree that Fallout Boy should generally be classified as "Pop/Rock" (since it has become evident that it is SOO important their music be classified). It IS pop (no matter how much you wish it werent) and it is rock...hence..pop/rock. a lot of the posters on here need to realize that emo indeed has become a very broad term that the culture has absorbed..and that punk rock isnt exclusively songs about anarchy and whatnot.  one of the loose definitions of punk is to do the opposite of what youre told.  while i'm not a fan of FOB, a friend of mine brought up a good point.  the band is "punk rock" in that they know theyre role models but obviously dont give a crap. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bm5481 (talk • contribs).
 * Why don't we just let someone else decide? Allmusic say they are a Rock band, with styles of Punk-Pop and Emo. Sounds about right to me. Iorek85 02:05, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, Wikipedia is not allmusic, that's why. If you say that they are alternative rock, you're right.  If you say that they are pop-punk, then you're right, too.  They're musical style draws from this genre heavily.  If you say they are emo, you're probably right again.  A great number of people think of them as emo, and that's really what characterizes a genre, right?  Genres exist for describing their style of music without short of listening to their actual songs.  All three of these serve that purpose.  I hope I am clear. —Akrabbimtalk 02:26, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * You're right - genres are only useful as far as the majority of people acknowledge and can relate to them. Still, I don't think anyone on the net has run a survey on what genre Fall out boy are. At least with a reference, there is something to back up the opinion. Would you be fine with adding emo to the infobox, and then all three to the intro sentence (or just alternative rock)? It's close to what we have already, and it'd be good to get a consensus. Iorek85 02:34, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's exactly what I have in mind. I actually have done that before in the past, but it has since been swept away in all of the vandalism. —Akrabbimtalk 01:08, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
 * In an AOL interview with Peter Wentz, the bassist and lyricist of FOB, Peter agrees that the band is emo and that they have emotional music. But as they say, Fall Out Boy is just Fall Out Boy. -K. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.141.216.137 (talk • contribs).

Yeah they're stupid emo-kids...That wentz guy even tried to kill himself....ha ha ha what an emosexual.


 * According to their mp3.com profile they are emo zeldamaster3

Now I don't want to cause any more fights, but I have to disagree with Fall Out Boy being emo. That is because I disagree with emo even being a musical genre. That's just my POV. But if you take a look at the emo article, one of the first bands classified as emo has a memeber saying that emo isn't a genre. I won't change anything, but think about this. Godlord2 04:06, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

I personally do not see how the hell Dance, Dance would fit into emotive-post hardcore punk. No offense but I personally just find that to be a load of crap, their music is not intense, depressing or gloomy enough to be emo as in the genres it's mainly associated with (post-hardcore, metalcore, indie, screamo). Speaking on a level of the instruments (since everyone seems to class bands by LYRICS now), even the guitar and bass compositions sound nothing like contemporary post-hardcore bands like MCR.
 * Pete would say they are considered emo, he obviously looks like it. But put Pete out of the equation and I bet you'd all be arguing over labelling them indie or some crap because the other members look no way emo. Their music is nothing like post-hardcore, screamo, emo-indie or whatever, neither are their lyrics depressing to me . Emo the image and emo the genres are different, that's what people are beginning to forget.
 * If you want to say the image, then based on Pete and their majority emo or whatever fanbase they would be. But their music certainly sounds NOTHING like any of the genres even associated with emo to me. Image doesn't make a difference to genre unless the image goes with a certain style of music (i.e. glam rock, grunge).
 * "A great number of people think of them as emo, and that's really what characterizes a genre, right?"
 * Uh, no. A lot of people on last.fm tag Paris Hilton or bands like Placebo as "emo". |: Besides, even the emo people I've seen don't exactly class them as emo, more or less on the fringe of emo.
 * I wish Fall Out Boy would just make a genre up to decribe themselves. It'd solve so many conflicts. 71.67.106.238 05:07, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * *is amused* They call themselves Softcore. But I'm not sure if anyone can find the source for that? At least I remember reading somewhere that it was because they all (minus Patrick) had hardcore influences, and they decided to go for a more 'pop' sound with FOB. They sell an official Chicago Softcore t-shirt.
 * I pose this question: What is a genre besides a category of variable breadth of music groups of similar music style based on collective consumer opinion? A genre can't be a set-in-stone category because there are no set-in-stone conditions for evaluating musical style. There would be no genres if the majority of listeners didn't categorize them.  If most people consider Fall Out Boy emo, what stops them from being (at the very least partially) described so? &mdash;Akrabbimtalk 16:28, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it should be taken off. Alot of people misunderstand the term "emo" now. since emo is a subgenre of hardcore, fall out boy shouldnt be put as emo. they sound hardly anything like rites of spring or orignal emo bands. I think its best just to leave them as pop punk and rock, that seems a lot more accurate and less controversial to original emo fans and stuff. Burger king 03:11, 14 October 2006 (UTC)


 * the word has been bastardized beyond recognition. emo has nothing to do with clothing, or how often someone cries or their emotional stability, it started when kids playing hardcore punk became less passive than the rabid meatheads of alot of NY based hardcore bands and such. As it comes to fall out boy, they show some small likeness to PUNK and a large likeness to POP. Notice, the only punk aspect to them is from the actual MUSICAL standpoint, not lyrical or appearance. D-beat is used alot in most punk, but not all, nor is punk the only genre where D-Beat is used. Since alot of their music is radio friendly, they have alot more aesthetic of a pop rock band, and since emo, in its truest form, has nothing to do with radio, MTV airplay, or lyrics about emotional distress, Fall out Boy simply CANNOT be labeled emo on a site such as wikipedia, but should be labeled for what they are, POP-PUNK. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gdh554 (talk • contribs) 07:03, 7 January 2007 (UTC).

Cleanup, Name and Emo
Fall Out Boy don't classify themselves as Emo. That's end of story. When people start classing each other it gets nowhere. They acknowledge incorporating themes of emo, this is from their site:
 * "One of the best ways to understand what Fall Out Boy are is to realize what they are not. Their music contains elements of punk and pop, but they aren’t pop-punk. Likewise, their songs are emotional and their lyrics can be poignant, but they’re certainly not emo. By tapping into elements of their favorite styles, the bandmembers are able to attain their own sound whilst standing apart from the pack."

Fall Out Boy don't sing about death and drugs and being dumped like The Used or My Chemical Romance, therefore they're not Emo. Yes songs like XO can sound emo because of the way they're sung. But that doesn't make the band emo. I'm removing the categorisation because they aren't pop enough for pop-punk (See Motion City Soundtrack) and they aren't Emo. They're probably not quite Rock or at least not in the strict sense I'm classifying them pop-rock. You want to debate it, that's fine, but they're not pop-punk or emo.

I think this discussion needs cleaning up - a lot of it's just questions.

And for name... apparently they played a few gigs without any real name and they asked the crowd for a name and someone up the back yelled "Fall Out Boy!", they figure it was from Fallout Boy from the Simpsons, but they dont know that for a fact. I've never heard that they werent aware of Fallout Boy... someone please verify?


 * except for Pete who said in an interveiw with aol that he considered their music emo. Duh!
 * You don't know anything about emo. And you don't know anything about pop. Don't touch this article, I think you're a fangirl.
 * That tag is offensive. First step with Wikipedia is to reach a consenus. I've given valid reasons, you've given nothing but vague accusations and an insult. Give me a solid reason for the tag you've given them.

ok- the music isnt emo, but the lyrics can be verrrrrrrry emo. when you listen to a CD, do you listen to the song, or the words?68.196.38.169 21:00, 9 February 2007 (UTC)vicky

I'm sorry, but you could find pop songs with emo lyrics or songs from any genre for that matter. If we classified music by lyrics it'd be broken up into SEX and NOT SEX, last i checked those were not genres. I mean, you've got rap songs and rock songs about the same topic. And besides, you can't understand Patrick Stump half the time anyway, or a number of other artists so to say we listen to music for the lyrics is ridiculous.

thank you to who ever wrote the whole you don't have to cut your self to be emo i guess i'm not the only one that is subject to stuff like that i mean you really don't have to emo is more of a kind of music that people like. and yes fall out boy is emo so to all of you that say they aren't i tell you to go shove it!

i dont understand this whole emo debate, you cant say because their songs deal with personal issues and have emotion that their emo, then dozens of bands would be labeled emo. Hell, if that was the case then Pink Floyd and Roger Waters is emo because their songs and lyrics talk about emotional and personal issues. This debate is stupid, FOB is not emo, this is obvious if you here there new album 24.241.227.184 03:01, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

list of emo bands
there website says there not emo. someone who can get that tag or whatever that adds them to the list off the article.--67.66.95.196 03:36, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * There has already been a consensus on this issue. The tag is sticking to Alternative Rock/Pop-Punk/Emo and i'm enforcing it as that. --DieHard2k5 | Talk 03:57, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * There website itself says they are not emo. They do ot even the emo stereotype, and they're music edoesn't sound emo except to 13 year old girls who have never even heard of rites of spring. it needs to be removed.--67.66.95.196 19:40, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * They are no who decides what genre people think their music is. They'd want to avoid the tag because of the negative connatations attached. Allmusic says theres some emo in there, other sources also say that. --Iorek85 23:02, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I think a band is the one who decides what genre they are, not magazines and websites--67.66.95.196 04:46, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Then you are wrong. I can make a heavy metal album, and call it whatever I want. I could call it Country-Jazz if I wanted to. It's the consumers that label the music, not the band. --DieHard2k5 | Talk 16:38, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
 * that has to work both ways, fans do not determine a bands genre. your fans could call it a country jazz album, also, but would that make it country jazz?
 * How about we NOT Cry over musical genres? Who cares who likes what. If you like Fallout Boy, listen to them. If you don't like them because people somehow consider them emo, your stupid. grow up.
 * They're emo. End of story.
 * Okay, lot's of people have put their say in, and the last thing we need is more anons coming in and, without reading the existing discussion, immediately and rudely make their (POV) opinion known. I'm not going to go through it all again, because I already have like twice already. I thought this was already resolved. &mdash;Akrabbimtalk 15:47, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes they are emo i don't know who you think you if they were any more emo they might as well scream it at the top of there lungs there music tells a story so yes they are emo i know twenty people of the top of head that would kill you for saying there not emo they are you just have to much pride to say they are so deal with it you emo hater!**

FUCT
Does anyone know if the intials for the album "From Under The Cork Tree" are 'fuct' by chance or if it was planned that way?


 * It was by chance. Spuddy 17 06:16, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * No, actually. Wentz did it on purpose. Jodie 07:03, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Is FUCT supposed to mean anything, if it is intentional? —Akrabbim 02:39, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I remember reading that From Under The Cork Tree was a line from a book. I can't recall who the author and what book it was.
 * It's taken from the theme of the book "Ferdinand the Bull", which is a about a lazy bull who doesn't care for matador fights. Damn straight. There's no chance for the bulls.

Fall Out Boy's Evening Out With Your Girl and Evening Out With Your Girlfriend, EPs?
Uprising Records released "Fall Out Boy's Evening Out With Your Girl" on February 23, 2003 as an EP. Uprising then released a repressed version of the album on May 17, 2005 entitled "Evening Out With Your Girlfriend." The tracks were remastered, however the EP title still remains.
 * Here is one souce verifying the EP status of the albums: Artistopia

Im not going to be a douche but it's not an EP. an EP has between 4-7 songs on it, at 8 songs an album traditionally becomes an LP. the reasoning for this is in the vinyl format(where LP and EP come from)an ep (7") cannot hold as much music. at 30 minutes the thing is an LP. check your facts before following what one site says. by the standards set in this article any album released before the late 80's(the advent of cd's) is an ep, including such titles as the Damaged(Black Flag) and Ramones (ramones) just to name a few. im changing it back to the album listing because it falls in the same running tim as an LP. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.179.227.58 (talk • contribs)
 * I agree, nowhere else is this album verified as an EP. It costs just as much as an album, so I'm going to go ahead and change the other references. --DieHard2k5 | Talk 16:02, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Kerrang magazine and on the fall out boy website said that infinity on high is FOB's 3rd album so technically EOWYG cannot be a LP Nemesis90 22:44, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Have you heard evening out with your girlfriend? It sucks hardcore. I don't think they want to advertize it as an album. And besides, technically it is an LP, it's got more than 7 songs. Them saying it's not is actually not a matter of technicality, just opinion. I mean, you can call a cow a horse but it's not going to win any races.

Should this page have a link to long song titles like this?
==See also== -- Gbeeker 01:45, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * List of songs with particularly long titles

No, that page is only for 20 or more words. —Akrabbim 14:20, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

TEMPLATE
I got a template, everybody! --Akrabbim 02:48, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I find these templates for a band that has, like Fall Out Boy, very few seperate articles really superfluous. I still don't know why every single and every band member needs a seperate page when the Fall Out Boy article is in as bad a shape as it is at the moment. IMO, they should all be merged into the FOB article and the respective album articles. --HarryCane 09:20, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, the reason the band members' pages aren't merged is because personal bios don't belong in the band article. However, this page is in serious need of maintenance; we need some actual band history, as well as discussions of sound, style, genre, and other details far more important than Internet parodies. What we need is a [not entirely devotional] fan, that knows something about Fall Out Boy's history (which isn't all that common, since they are still a developing band) that has some respect for Wikipedia, too.  Cleaning up this talk page would be nice, too, but that's not that much of a priority.  --Akrabbim 13:24, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I tried to clean up a bit. It still needs a lot of work. --Russ is the sex 19:20, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Music videos
I removed the line about having lots of dialouge in their music videos... only their most recent one has any spoken lines in it. -Maverick 09:05, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Picture
Can someone find a good picture of all four of them, instead of the cover of Take This To Your Grave? You can't really see any of them very well. Free source would be nice, too. —Akrabbim 02:54, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Changed the picture to reflect the band's most recent look. The previous picture was out of date, relatively speaking. Not sure of the image usage, though. Hopefully it can stay. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Steviedpeele (talk • contribs)


 * Is "You're A Fag" really a Fall Out Boy picture? I don't have one, nor the time to get one, but can someone please take care of this? Pro bug catcher 01:18, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It's just a result of some vandalism by Spartanpass. It shouldn't be a problem, but everybody who reverts it doesn't realize that there is another picture that is currently in use (falloutboy.jpg). Fortunately, he's blocked now. —Akrabbimtalk 18:34, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

how about the picture of from there my space http://myspace-405.vo.llnwd.net/01441/50/49/1441029405_m.jpg

Two Articles for Take This To Your Grave
Take this to your grave has two articles for it, the proper version which there is a link to off the fall out boy page and another that can be found when searching without proper captilisation. The other version should be deleted. This is the proper version - Take This to Your Grave Other Version - Take this to your grave
 * Done. I changed the bad page to a redirect. Well, I thought I did. Maybe only editors can do it? Iorek85 00:15, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Rumor Confirmation
I heard that they were a screamo band that decided to do a pop record as a joke and then it got really popular. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Proeliator Sancti (talk • contribs).
 * Well, in a interview with All-Ages Zine, Wentz (Bass) said that they were originally just messing around in a basement as a hardcore band, but decided to do a pop-punk record. They never wanted to go pop. --Diehard2k5
 * Makes sense, in some of their songs in From Under the Cork Tree, there are many lines that are "screamed". Kind of shows they have interest in more harder music. --Deathdoor 02:46, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Future album
 Confirmed Songs 
 * You Can't Spell Star Without A&R - A song referencing the band's feud with labelmates The Killers.
 * They Make Plans, We Make History - A song about how bands focus on what they believe they need to do rather than just doing it. This MAY also be called We Don't Take Hits, We Write Them- this song was played several times on several Fall Out Boy tour dates
 * I Liked You A Lot Better Before You Were a MySpace Whore - Pete Wentz commented that this B-Side from From Under the Cork Tree would be included, although for legal reasons the name might be changed. It is  important to note that this is not "Our Lawyers Made Us Change the Name of This Song So We Wouldn't Get Sued" from From Under the Cork Tree, the two songs are different.
 * Gay Is Not a Synonym for Shitty (G.I.N.A.S.F.S.)
 * The Carpal Tunnel of Love - this song was leaked on absolutepunk.net sopposedly by Pete himself.
 * This Ain't a Scene It's An Arms Race - Reportedly the upcomming and first single from the new album. It's said to be released on November 21st.

 Possible Songs 
 * Time Machine - Recently played on Black Clouds And Underdogs Tour.
 * Go Down In History - Recently played on Black Clouds and Underdogs Tour, but might be another name for "They Make Plans, We Make History."
 * Austin, We Have a Problem - A B-Side from From Under the Cork Tree.
 * Hand Of God - A B-Side from From Under the Cork Tree.
 * 2nd Emo - A B-Side from From Under the Cork Tree.
 * What's This? - Maybe a Bonus Track From The Nightmare Before Christmas Soundtrack
 * Star 67 - A B-Side from From Under the Cork Tree.

I have removed the previous information as there is absolutely no source information whatsoever. I left some brief information on the page, but it also is unconfirmed. This kind of detail is also unecessary on this page, even if it is true. — Akrabbim talk 20:49, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I was the one that added that information (although I wasn't logged in at the time). You don't take me for a liar, do you? :) It just all depends on how detailed you want to get on the next album.  As for sources, I've collected the information from several places, mostly MTV.com News Interviews, two AbsolutePunk.net interviews with Pete Wentz and several of Pete's journal entries and Q&A responses.  I don't know exactly how you want to cite stuff.  And while we're at it, I think you should re-add the line about having a compelation album of B-Sides and rarities, because Wentz said (in the AbsolutePunk interview) it would probibly come after this next album. Tye8806 03:17, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, that's fine, It's not like I didn't believe you. It's mostly just that this article doesn't need to go into that much detail. An encyclopedia article isn't a repository of all existing information on a subject. There aren't track listings for albums that have come out, because there are separate articles.  When FOB releases an official tracklist, then there is reason to create a new article for the upcoming album (this is what happened with the Goo Goo Dolls' Let Love In). For now, I don't think it's significant enough to include any more than I left, you know? Thanks for being civil and talking about it (unlike some 80% of the editors of this page), instead of just getting into an anonymous edit war. —Akrabbimtalk 03:50, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

"Carpal Tunnel of Love" is the first single off the record; not a "leaked song". The band actually had it put up. 24.161.133.145 10:08, 9 January 2007 (UTC)Janet 

Uh... no. The only place it was released was on iTunes and that only just charted inside the hot 100. You're right on the band putting it up themselves though, and the album version is different (more polished, louder guitars, extended intro)

As for some of these songs...


 * You Can't Spell Star Without A&R - Pete Wentz said a while ago this was renamed This Ain't a Scene, Its an Arms Race.
 * They Make Plans, We Make History - Not quite sure about this. I've seen some live videos of this song performed. I guess it just got canned.
 * I Liked You A Lot Better Before You Were a MySpace Whore - Its either had a title change, or its been scrapped as well
 * Gay Is Not a Synonym for Shitty (G.I.N.A.S.F.S.) - indeed on the album (as a bonus track), really good track.
 * The Carpal Tunnel of Love - aha
 * This Ain't a Scene It's An Arms Race - yup

 Possible Songs  SilverNightFire 07:14, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Time Machine - Don't have a clue
 * Go Down In History - I think you're confused with The Music or the Misery, which was a b-side to From Under the Cork Tree as well. There's a verse in its bridge which says 'and if you want to go down in history then I'm your friend'. A shame it got shafted, its a pretty good song.
 * Austin, We Have a Problem - A B-Side from From Under the Cork Tree. - stayed a b-side
 * Hand Of God - A B-Side from From Under the Cork Tree. - got canned pretty much after it was recorded.
 * 2nd Emo - A B-Side from From Under the Cork Tree. - this is just an instrumental track which someone renamed Fall Out Boy on file sharing programs/sites.
 * What's This? - track on The Nightmare Before Christmas Soundtrack
 * Star 67 - This was actually a Project Rocket song on their first split EP. Check out the wiki page on that for more info

XO Single
Looks like some n00b made a page for XO, with a crappy gif file made from paint as the cover. Has this even been released as a single. I assume that since A Little Less.. Single doesn't come out until July 6th, it's safe to say that they haven't picked a new single yet. AFD? -- Diehard2k5 18:36, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Follow Up: AFD listed. Please contribute. -- Diehard2k5 20:38, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

How or where do you listen to a b-side?Tabbishea 02:20, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

First Song Written
I noticed some bands and/or members of said bands have the first song they ever wrote on their profiles. Any chance we could do that for this band, as well?? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.33.22.4 (talk • contribs).
 * What profiles? MySpace? That's up to Fall Out Boy to tell people, it isn't really encyclopedic information, and especially not relevant to this article. It would fit better in individual band members' articles, if at all. &mdash;Akrabbimtalk 21:36, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * No, I found some of the said songs on members of the bands pages, here on the Wikipedia. Ex. "Skylines and Turnstiles" on Gerard Way's page. But, thank you anyway.
 * The reference on the Way page is relevant because it contributes to the development of a fairly notable band. If Fall Out Boy (or a specific band member's) first song is relevent to their development as a notable group, then it belongs. If it just serves as a bit of trivia that really doesn't have to do with anything, than it doesn't. It's really just an issue of relevance to FOB's notability (is that a word?). &mdash;Akrabbimtalk 20:54, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Pop-Punk
Not to rant or anything, but isn't Fall Out Boy "Pop-punk", not "Alternative Rock"? Google has 140,000 more results for the former, the band is commonly tagged as "Pop-punk" on Last.fm (Alt Rock is a much less-used tag for them), and the comparing examples of the two genres show much more mor commonality with pop-punk.


 * i totally concur. alternative rock is sonic youth or the jesus and mary chain, but this is a prime example of the former. i'm changing it. Joeyramoney 21:10, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

yup. they can be decribed as a pop punk band, but they are not defined by it. Xsxex 06:35, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

I edited it Geege 13:53, 2 December 2006 (UTC) What The fuck. Pop Punk is Screeching Weasel, not this bullshit.--71.236.239.19 01:54, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Don't go dumping FOB on Alternative Rock. A Perfect Circle is Alternative Rock, not FallOut Boy. "Pop-Punk"/"Emo" is a good enough genre. "Pop-Punk" because that's what it sounds like, and "Emo" because that's what the lyrics sound like. --Heiki Storm 10:36, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

To even call Fall Out Boy pop punk is an absolute disgrace. fallout boy are emo. to relate them in any way to any type of punk is wrong. Get over it.

Genre
Emo = Sunny Day Real Estate, Texas Is The Reason, Rites Of Spring, etc. Pop punk = Descendents/ALL, NOFX, Lagwagon, etc. Alternative rock = Sonic Youth, The Pixies, Smashing Pumpkins, etc.

Fall Out Boy doesn't sound like any of these bands. They are a pop band. Change it already.--momo 23:53, 23 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Neither do they have anything in common with Britney Spears and Kelly Clarkson. They are not a pop band. Allmusic, as we've noted and agreed upon before, is one of the only sources as to what music they are and it says they are Rock, with stylings of Punk-Pop and Emo. That was the consensus before. If you want to find some other sources, that would be helpful. --Iorek85 00:06, 24 July 2006 (UTC)


 * ''Musically there's a lot dynamics between ultra-soft / whispered vocals / twinkly guitar bits and full-bore crashing / twin Gibson SG guitar roaring / screaming vocals. One of the most recognizable and universal elements of emo shows up in the guitar sound of this style: the octave chord. Octave chords give this style a high-pitched, driving urgency and a very rich texture. The Gibson SG / Marshall JCM-800 guitar combo and Ampeg 400 bass amp is the classic emo gear. Solid-state amps are unheard of.


 * ''The vocal style is usually much more intense than emocore, ranging from normal singing in the quiet parts to a kind of pleading howl to gut-wrenching screams to actual sobbing and crying. Straight-edge boys tend to hate that part, and much derision is levelled at emo bands on this point. Most emo bands tend to have some epic-length songs that build up very slowly to a climax where someone cries. If you're receptive to this kind of thing, it can be extremely powerful and moving, since it's very hard to fake that kind of pure emotion convincingly.


 * ''Lyrics tend toward somewhat abstract poetry, and are usually low in the mix and hard to decipher. Record inserts have lyrics, but often so disorganized and haphazard that they're very difficult to read [unless the record was released on Ebullition Records, in which case there are many inserts on small, brightly-colored papers containing poetic writing from the label owner and all his friends about disillusionment, anger, and things that happened when the writer was four. Such writing is known as emo writing, and there are many, many zines just like that]. Said inserts are almost always done with antique typewriters or miniscule hand-lettering, containing no punctuation or capitalization. Often the only information about the band listed is the band members' first names. Another trait of really emo records is to have no information whatsoever about song titles.


 * ''Commercialism is very much repressed in this emo scene. Few bands make t-shirts. Most records are put out on very small, home-run labels or on the band's private label. Records are sold cheap (the classic pricing scheme was $3 7"s, $5 LPs, and $8 CDs. Inflation has driven these prices up in recent years). Shows are univerally $5 or less, and touring bands often are lucky to get gas money (despite the promoter usually not paying local bands).


 * There is also a bias against digital technology within most bands. Emo recordings tend to be analog only, cheaply done, with a tendency toward mostly live tracking with few overdubs. Equipment is heavily weighted toward tube gear. Until recently, most emo records were made on vinyl only. CD reissues of broken-up bands' discographies are becoming common, though. (Taken from Fourfa.com) --momo 01:05, 24 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Your definition of emo is very specific. If you read the Emo (music) page, this is true for the "1st wave" Emo, the way it started.  Since then, the term has become more broad even to include many non-independant bands, like Jimmy Eat World, Dashboard Confessional, Panic! at the Disco, My Chemical Romance. The article states, "the breadth of bands listed under today's emo is even more vast, leaving the term 'emo' as more of a loose identifier than as a specific genre of music." Pop/Punk really is a subgenre of alternative rock, like emo is to pop/punk. Take This to Your Grave was certainly more pop/punk than emo, but From Under the Cork Tree has a lot more emo influence. As a whole, Fall Out Boy doesn't fit perfectly under any of these categories, which is why the consensus was a little bit of all of these. &mdash;Akrabbimtalk 02:16, 24 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I have read the Emo (music) page, numerous times. Having emo/pop punk influences does not make your band emo or pop punk. Good Charlotte was influenced by many good punk bands (Minor Threat, for example) but does that make them punk? Also, just because Allmusic said Fall Out Boy was emo, doesn't make it true. J-14 Magazine said Kelly Clarkson was a "rocker" but that certainly isn't true.--momo 03:43, 24 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Also note that I said "etc.".--momo 03:52, 24 July 2006 (UTC)


 * It's also better than no references. Clearly, there is scope for debate in the classification of them. Therefore, we need as many references as we can to try to get some consensus. --Iorek85 04:18, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
 * There has already been a consensus on this issue. The genre even has a citation. Okay, case closed. Please. The vandals that go and change the genre to Pop are getting annoying. Thanks. --Diehard2k5 | Talk 00:10, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Good work. Now lets defend it. :) --Iorek85 00:52, 25 July 2006 (UTC)


 * "Vandals"? I guess not wanting to mislead people is vandalism?--momo 22:25, 29 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Not wanting to mislead people is one thing. If you want to do that, then talk about it on the discussion page before hand. Your one narrow-minded view of the situation may not be everyone elses. I say vandal to describe the people that do it continously after being asked not to politely. Or people that just go and change it with out any sort of explanation. It's very irratating to have to go and revert these changes all the time. How would you like it if someone went into the NOFX page and changed the genre to Pop, and having you day after day, week after week, have to revert it? --DieHard2k5 | Talk 22:36, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Well obviously if they kept changing it they must being trying to prove a point, in which case I would ask them why and not just revert it and report them as a vandal.

By the way, NOFX actually is a pop-punk band.--momo 14:35, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
 * That's what the discussion page is for. Discussing things like that. If I see a change like that, I always revert it, and ask them politely not to do it again without talking on the discussion page first. --DieHard2k5 | Talk 21:25, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

On youtube on an TL behind the scenes of dance dance, pete says ' we wanna put the funk back into emotion rock and roll' (Emo) so pate just called them Emo.

According to me they don't have a particular genre to fit in.Their musical style is a mix of pop-punk,emo and alternative rock.And in the genre section I wrote that (as it was a month ago).

Why dont we just label it as they do and call it "softxcore?" Then we can move on to the much more exciting topic of which bands are also softxcore and which bands arent or if hair styles should be required in the definition Oroneko 13:12, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Isn't it just easier to list genres the band is commonly known as? To most people I know, Fall Out Boy's alternative, pop-punk, emo, and just plain rock. Okay, just a suggestion. --P!@tD Girly! 03:37, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Drop-D
Shouldn't we mention that Fall out boy use drop-d more than most emo/pop punk bands, which makes them unique. DavidJJJ 09:11, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Dude, Drop-D might be the least unique tuning in modern rock music. Even in the mainstremo and puss-punk genres it's prevalent. LaserTrap 01:58, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Drop-D is very mainstream these days. And plus, where is your citation for this. What your saying is OR. --DieHard2k5 | Talk 02:48, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Merging
I've suggested that all of the individual articles for members get merged into this article, per WP:N and other bands. It's either merge them into here, or delete, in my opinion. Anyone for this? HawkerTyphoon 23:27, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * No. All of the members, at least Pete Wentz, are notable on there own. This has been brought up before, and has been shot down. Pete Wentz has his own clothing line, production company, and imprint on Fueled by Ramen, and all others have veritable information on there own. I'd suggest removing the tag. -- Die Hard  2k5  01:32, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
 * All of the chaps, except perhaps Pete Wentz, aren't really notable for anythinjg except playing in the band. One of them has a line of guitars coming out, but that can be included in another article as a simple sentence. I find a good way to think about it is this:
 * If you took the band away, would they warrant their own article? Only Pete Wentz touches on this, but even all of his information can be included in a paragraph on this page. HawkerTyphoon 02:07, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Look up above at TEMPLATE. Akrabbim already discussed this issue. One prime reason, is the continous vandalism of the Pete Wentz page would be turned ten-fold onto the Fall Out Boy page itself. I've seen articles for band members that are one lines. You make a point that If you take away Fall Out Boy, the members don't mean anything. Well, their albums have sold 2.2 million sales, they're played on MTV constantly, they've won a ton of awards, and they each have their own ventures. But back to your point, John Bonham was the drummer of Led Zeppelin, that's all he was famous for. Does he not warrant his own article? I'm going to remove the merge tags, since this has been discussed before. I'd suggest looking into the history before bringing back old stuff. Thanks. This was submitted via my school IP. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Diehard2k5 (talk • contribs)


 * John Bonham is slighty different to anyone in Fallout Boy, I daresay - he's made a lasting contribution to music since he started. The same cannot be said of Fallout boy, who have been a run-of-the-mill band compared to Led Zeppelin. Vandalism is not a reason to keep articles seperate; we can deal with any extra vandalism when it happens. When we merged Sonny Moore etc into whatever band he is in (I forget), vandalism dropped significantly. You say that "Well, their albums have sold 2.2 million sales, they're played on MTV constantly, they've won a ton of awards, and they each have their own ventures." That's as maybe - but only through fallout boy. None of them have made a contribution by themselves, have they? HawkerTyphoon 19:38, 8 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Moreover, I can't actually see that this has been discussed before, could you sho me where? Thanks, HawkerTyphoon 02:09, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
 * It was discussed above in TEMPLATE. That was the whole reason for the template. And your description of Fall Out Boy as a "run-of-the-mill band", is completely opinional, and has nothing to do with the actual success of the band as a whole, and as part. Pete Wentz for example, has his own imprint in a major-indie label, Decaydance, and numerous other ventures. The other members of the band also have their own ventures as well. I'm going to say that being in a multi-platinum record selling band would fulfill notability requirements. And as for Sonny Moore, he's from From First to Last, which is a hardcore/emo band. As far as I can see, none of the other bandmates had pages, so that's probably why his page was merged. All the members of Fall Out Boy have quite extensive entries themselves. -- Die Hard  2k5  02:14, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, something similar to this was discussed in Articles_for_deletion/Brendon_Urie, which was for members of the band Panic! at the Disco, which isn't quite as successful as Fall Out Boy, yet the members still deserved their own enteries per WP:Bio. Thanks! -- Die Hard  2k5  02:17, 17 September 2006 (UTC)


 * It was hardly a discussion to be honest, was it? Biographical information doesn't belong in this article, that's true, but does it belong in Wikipedia at all? Secondly, I was describing Fall Out Boy as a run-of-the-mill band in relation to Led Zeppellin - John Bonham is well known in all corners of the music industry, soul, jazz, rap and even classical, whereas Pete Wentz is hardly notable at all next to Jon Bonham - which again, I don't think you'll argue with. However, after having read up on WP:MUSIC, I daresay they fit under composers and lyricists - that is, if they have all written or composed ;-). Please be assured that I'm simply trying to stop Wikipedia filling up with fan cruft, not trying to stop musicians from being included! Finally, the band members for From First to Last all had extensive entries, until they were merged for being non-notable! My apologies for intruding, HawkerTyphoon 02:26, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I can see where you're coming from, and I'm sorry if I somehow took the matter personally. I would say that due to WP:MUSIC, and the precedence set forth in Articles_for_deletion/Brendon_Urie would be grounds for keeping the information. I can see where your argument comes from about Bonham and Wentz, but the practical point is that they're both from successful bands, which makes them notable in their own lights. Again, sorry if I took this personally. -- Die Hard  2k5  23:01, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Removed Simpsons Comment
Removed "Producers of The Simpsons were afraid they would get sued because they thought the band had the name first. This is false, seeing as The Simpsons have been around for about 20 years, while the band has only been around for about 4 years, tops." because no citation or evidence was provided. It is purely speculation. 198.22.121.110 23:06, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Emo
Is the emo link supposed to go to the homosexuality page? --Shanedidona 12:48, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * No, but dumbass is supposed to redirect to your profile. I'll fix that now. -Prisonnet 02:11, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Is that a trick question? Emo, Homosexuality, they're totally different things..JustinFromAus 09:30, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

And Fall Out Boy is neither.70.23.148.224 14:03, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

What happened to all the content?
The history pages show this page has had a lot of content compared to its current state. I can't see why all of it was removed. Pests 03:25, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Vandalism. Should be all fixed now. Iorek85 03:38, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

what difference does it make weather fall out boy are emo or not and why do people moan about emo's everyone has their own style weather its emo mosher or goth nobody has a right to critisize anybody because no one is perfect everyone is entitled to their own opinion!!

Fixed Vandalism....Again.
Well I just fixed all the content back to the way it used to be....also someone replaced the name Fall Out Boy with 'Emo F***ers' i fixed that aswell. We need to really protect this page, I'm not a big fall out boy fan, i just felt bad for their page getting vandalised so much...'''

I agree with you. This page really does get hit hard. :/

LOL rROFL

Nightmare Before Christmas soundtrack
Fall Out Boy's appearance on the soundrack is not such a huge deal that it deserves a whole paragraph about it here. Perhaps creating another section dedicated to songs they have contributed to like projects would be more appropriate.Spuddy 17 03:22, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

the external links
i believe that www.falloutboyrock.com.br website must be on the list here presented.

the website is a great brazilian channel and the best in the country about the band, and must be recognized.

if possible, of course.

Fall Out Boy Rock - Brasil

Error Found In External Link
Will someone please fix the external links... The Crazewire external link should point to http://www.crazewire.com/features/20050412476.php, not http://features/20050412476.php --Mkoko483 23:34, 5 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Fall Out Boy - Pete Wentz Interview on Crazewire

New single
They released a new single (at least on iTunes) called Carpal Tunnel of Love. Anyone want to start that article? -- Shorty114 04:54, 15 December 2006 (UTC)