Talk:Fall River, Massachusetts

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Atlantis Charter School is a private charter school.

USS Mass
This is a pretty iconic piece of the landscape, whenever I mention Fall River to people it's the first thing they mention, should it have more mention in the article than just a simple note in the Points of Interest that directs to the battleship cove page? It does have the largest collection of WWII naval vessels in the world on display to the public.

Zip Codes
Fix the Zip codes, please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.43.118.130 (talk) 14:24, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Percentage Portuguese
The 2000 census reports Fall River being only 43.9% Portuguese... I changed the stat to reflect this, and noted that this is the highest percentage in the US. The article previously said "it seems" that "60%" are Portuguese. If anybody can provide a source for the higher number, go for it. But it just sounded like a totally baseless estimate.

Mill Count

I don't know the exact number, but in 1970 Fall River had at least 60 big mills. Due to fires and gentrification the number is much lower in 2005. Some mills themselves have been converted to other uses including residential and shopping, and some still function as industrial spaces. User:McDogm--134.241.227.73 17:48, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

Currently there are about 50 or so mills left in Fall River. I have a list at home, and I will likely be compiling a list somehow here in Wiki- --Marcbela (talk) 15:32, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

failing schools?

I cannot find any information to corroborate the statement that the Fall River school system is in "disarray." Some of the schools are underperforming, but others seem to be meeting their adequate yearly progress. In addition, B.M.C. Durfee high school is not unaccredited. The accreditation is done by the NEASC, and Durfee was removed from its probationary status in January 2006.

response: failing schools?

I couldn't find any evidence for the statements the the Fall River school system is in 'disarray' or that B.M.C. Durfee High School is unaccredited. These statements should be removed.

Re: failing schools?

In addition to misinformation on the school system (which may have been somewhat accurate years ago, but not today), I am unable to find evidence of the rise in crime in Fall River. According to the state's information, the crime rates have dropped fairly steadily since 1980. http://db.state.ma.us/msp/select.asp If there is more up-to-date information out there, I would be interested in seeing it.

Re Crime: Crime is all around, open your eyes, everyday i get harrassed by hookers on pleasant street and cambodian gangs along the shoreline.
 * There's a difference between the existence of crime and an increase in crime though. KenFehling (talk) 00:36, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

The highest point in Bristol County is in North Attleborough at Sunrise Hill in the World War I Memorial park at an elevation of 390 feet not at Copicut Hill elevation 354 feet.

Request for link addition to Fall River, MA page
Dear Fall River, MA page editors/administrators,

My name is Tracy and I am an employee for The Standard Times website (SouthCoastToday.com). I am currently trying to add some relevant links to the local towns of South Coast Massachusetts for public use and up to date local information. SouthCoastToday.com contains town specific pages for each of the towns and cities in South Coast Massachusetts. The page link for Fall River, MA is http://www.southcoasttoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=TOWN04. This page contains all of the local news, events, photos, etc. specifically for Fall River, MA. I am writing today to request an addition for this link in your External Link section. If this is approved, can you please name the link SouthCoastToday.com/FallRiver

Also, please feel free to use any of the information on this page for the Wikipedia page. If you do use any of the information, please include us in your Reference link as SouthCoastToday.com/FallRiver.

Thank You for your time and consideration of this link. I truely believe that this will be a useful addition for the public.

--Tracys49 15:23, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * This is supposed to be an encyclopedia article. Do you really believe that a link to a newspaper (not a newspaper article, but a newspaper) is appropriate? Denimadept 05:01, 15 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I do believe that the link the the Fall River page on our site is very appropriate since this page is dedicated to Fall River, MA. It is the community website that local people can go to to get weather, events, news, etc. Thanks, --Tracys49 13:04, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

The Fall River dialect
As a lifelong resident of the city and the area, I think something needs to be said about the dialect, which is different than a typical Boston or New England dialect in that it is affected by its roots-an amalgamation of the area's many different ethnic roots. It even has its own version of pronunciation of Portuguese names, a more "Americanized" version in most cases. I've never heard of any research on this though - is there a way to work this in without citations? ToddC4176 (talk) 20:50, 29 May 2008 (UTC)


 * According to the dissertation of Daniel Ezra Johnson (University of Pennsylvania, 2007), Fall River is part of the Rhode Island dialect region, despite being in Massachusetts. AJD (talk) 21:36, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I would agree with the influence from Rhode Island, which is also more influenced by New York than Boston. example: the word "coffee".--Marcbela (talk) 15:31, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Better to say "similar to New York" than "influenced by New York". However, Rhode Island shares with the rest of eastern New England a conservative back realization of /uw/, /ow/, and /aw/. AJD (talk) 05:12, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

{ Old Sigma: I disagree with the dissertation. I grew up in Fall River & the accent then was rather distinct from a Nu Yawker's.} — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.71.211.217 (talk) 21:16, 11 May 2018 (UTC)


 * IP: please keep in mind that the conversation you just added a comment has been dormant for almost 10 years. Also, it's unclear who "Old Sigma" is intended to address, since no one with that username participated in the discussion in this section. If "Old Sigma" is you, please consider creating an account with that name, as otherwise you are simply known as 173.71.211.217 (for the moment, until you are assigned another IP by your internet provider).  General Ization  Talk  21:29, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Request for a Panoramic Photo.
Fall River is a city with a lot of problems, and a lot of unsavory areas, but from a distance it's one of the most picturesque towns in all New England. The vista of it as a city of elegant spires and towering stone mills, built onto the seafront hillside as far as the eye can see in either direction, that greets you when you're driving over the bridge from the west, is really quite magnificent. If someone knows of a such a picture that could be included, I think that it would do much for the article, and for the city. 107.3.44.127 (talk) 01:00, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

confusing sentence
In the opening part of the article: "Fall River was and is unique for the fact that it has two large lakes (originally one lake) on the eastern part of the city which is higher in elevation, with a river emptying out of the ponds flowing two miles through the heart city emptying out into the deep bay/estuary in the west part of the city.

What does that mean? Fall River is unique because the eastern part of the city is higher in elevation? Higher than what? Or the lakes are higher than something in elevation? What does it mean that there are ponds (the lakes?) flowing two miles through the "heart city"? Could someone who knows the city and grammar clean up this sentence? 166.248.2.190 (talk) 16:35, 12 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Agreed. This statement should be cleaned up at the least - and properly referenced, if needed. Or, removed entirely and included somewhere else in the article.--Marcbela (talk) 21:51, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Makes sense to me but then I grew up there -- living in F-R one is usually reminded during the day that the city is high above the Taunton R. So, knowing that the N. Watuppa empties into the South (there is ~16" drop) & that the South Pond doesn't flood the surrounding housing, it is clear that the water flows "downhill" out of S. Pond. And realizing this, it is intuitive to us that the ponds are higher than the city, at least as far as water flow is concerned. Maybe if the description were changed to focus on the flow of the water, first N to S, then from the S Pond to the west via the Quequechan (which in itself needs explanation to youngsters & visitors because it is mostly out of sight & culverted) to the Taunton R.} As far as "unique" is concerned, the topography of the lakes never meant anything to us. The city is unique to its residents because they live there - & not somewhere else. To recognize a uniqueness requires one to distance oneself from the object, & in the times when I grew up, most people didn't leave town that much. I can recall wondering how it was we could drink Watuppa water when there were people swimming & boating on the lake. When I raised the question in my youth is when I learned that the N. Pond flowed into the S. Pond & the S. Pond emptied into the Taunton R. by way of the Quequechan. The thought process seemed reasonable to me then & it does now. I disagree about moving the sentence. The Ponds are significant to the residents. Old Sigma — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.71.211.217 (talk) 21:16, 11 May 2018 (UTC) ‎

More about Espirito Santo school
I found http://www.nopa-us.org/resources/Centennial+Celebration+of+Lusophone+Studies+2010.pdf which is a press release about the school's portuguese language studies WhisperToMe (talk) 13:31, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Where does this end?
The current intro is getting obsurd: "The city is located (in driving distances) approximately 53 miles (85 km) south of Boston, 17 miles (27 km) southeast of Providence, Rhode Island, 12 miles (19 km) west of New Bedford, Massachusetts, 20 miles (32 km) north of Newport, Rhode Island, 18 miles (29 km) south of Taunton, Massachusetts, 32 miles (51 km) south of Brockton, Massachusetts, approximatley 200 miles (320 km) northeast of New York City, 420 miles (680 km) northeast of Washington D.C., and 3,022 miles (4,863 km) northeast of Los Angeles, California"

Where does this end?

I think there should only be one major city in each direction and no more.--Marcbela (talk) 22:59, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Mill strikes
It's almost amusing how this article, while mentioning the dozens of mills, avoids any discussion of the child laborers, company tenements, terrible working conditions, and countless mill strikes of the 19th century (1872, 1879, 1884, 1887, 1889, 1894, 1898) and the 6-month strike of 1904 during which 26,000 were unemployed. Twang (talk) 20:38, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Good point. Feel free to add any info you may have on the subject.--Marcbela (talk) 21:47, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

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Lizzie Borden
Was she accused of killing three people? Or was she a public speaking teacher, or was her step mother? There's no mention of public speaking in the Lizzie Borden article in regards to her or her step mother. ...Lizzie Borden (1860–1927), tried and acquitted of the 1892 murder of father and step-mother and public speaking teacher in Fall River; is buried with them .... 90.242.145.114 (talk) 21:53, 4 January 2023 (UTC)