Talk:Fall of the Ming dynasty

Thinking this was a copyvio I googled... and found... much of the text was taken from Ming Dynasty.... so, it's just redundant it seems. gren グレン 00:26, 6 September 2005 (UTC)


 * That's where it originally came from.The Ming dynasty article was getting way to big and this material has been cut from there.Cetot 08:21, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

connotation of the term 'treachery'
The summary of the article has this phrase "which had fallen to the Manchu by treachery in 1621" the term 'treachery' seems pretty much emotional, rather than analytical, with a pro-Ming bias. Is there another way of saying the same? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.183.28.3 (talk) 22:25, 22 December 2012 (UTC)