Talk:False self-employment

This page should not be speedy deleted because...
This page should not be speedily deleted because... the text edit is done. Yet it can be published :-) --Adriano2021 (talk) 17:48, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't even know what it is. It has no English references. Leggomygreggo8 (talk) 17:51, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

Of course it has no English references because it only applies to Belgium. The purpose of translating the article in English is to give an idea of what Belgian government considers a "false self-employment". NB: The name "false self-employment" is often used in UK's media, that's why I chose to call it that way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adriano2021 (talk • contribs) 17:58, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

Contested deletion
This page should not be speedily deleted because this is not a test page. It may be inadequately referenced, but that is a matter for AFD, not CSD. --Robert McClenon (talk) 18:06, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
 * It's marked with sandbox, doesn't that make it a test page? Leggomygreggo8 (talk) 18:09, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

Contested deletion
This page should not be speedily deleted, BUT it may perhaps be best left for now and later integrated with the existing Subcontractor entry?

This is because it relates to a common and widespread contract law fraud in countries with a national social security tax regimes. In such jurisdictions (not just Belgium but also UK Germany and Spain that I know of and probably most of western if not all of EU). A self-employed person in such tax regimes must show that the revenue from work activity comes from several different sources and that work is conducted for several clients according to nationally agreed standards relating to the relevant trade practices agreed by regulators. (e.g. Council for Registered Gas Installers in UK)

Whilst self-employed people can and do form dynamic teams, any regular workload worker-association needs to be registered as a company and thus pay the full social security tax for each employee, which is often much more expensive than self-employed contributions --Timpo (talk) 18:14, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

Benefits for employees
The article mentions concerns related to workers losing their rights, but doesn't mention possible benefits for some of them (e.g. higher pay). For example in Poland, false self employment is extremely popular among programmers, with 31% overall and 47% senior programmers using it instead of the traditional employment (which clearly shows that it can be beneficial for employees). I don't have any English language sources, though. 199.167.156.88 (talk) 05:21, 28 April 2022 (UTC)