Talk:Familicide/Archive 1

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This is a legitimate article topic that will require expansion by others. I'm not the psychology or crime scholar here, this was just my attempt to get the legitimate article started in the hopes others of more expert backgrounds than I would fill the content void. J.A.McCoy 00:22, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

I have enlisted the help of my fellow Wikipedians on the Homicide and Suicide talk pages in an effort to get expert content expansion for this article. Please be patient. J.A.McCoy 00:39, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Patience rewarded. As the article was originally posted, the CSD tag was reasonable based on content. However, I have found sufficient notability establishing references, including books written by a forensic psychiatrist, a doctor, peer reviewed articles and several news reports. This article should not be deleted. I am composing the expanded article with references as I type, but it takes me forever to edit my work. I'm removing the CSD tag. If someone feels I'm wrong, then put it back in, but please wait until I have at least some of the expanded article posted. Thanks. — Becksguy 03:28, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

I see Philippe has already removed the tag. Good. — Becksguy 03:36, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

I added some meat, but I'm too tied to really copy edit it properly, or to do anything more with it for now. I didn't do a good job on this. — Becksguy 04:50, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, Becksguy. Like I mentioned in my edit notes, the reason I started this was because this had recently occurred in my own extended family. And like I've told others about it, "I learned a new word that I really didn't want to learn." Your expert expansion is deeply appreciated. J.A.McCoy 02:41, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

I added the Amityville Horror, connection, it seemed relevant Megatonman (talk) 13:18, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Edits by LisaSmall
I did some work on this term a while back at the English-language Wiktionary here. Because it provides citations and usage, I added this to the ext links for the Wikipedia article, but I don't know the magic syntax to make that happen prettily and hope someone will come along later and make it look nice. -- LisaSmall T/ C 20:15, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

In addition to adding the Wiktionary link, I made several other changes to the article. The only ones which might ruffle feathers are my deletion of these three cases.


 * Andrea Yates, June 20, 2001, drowned her five children in her bathtub.
 * Susan Smith, October 25, 1994, drowned two sons and blamed it on imaginary black hijacker
 * Christopher Foster, August 25, 2008, killed wife, daughter, and pets. Set home on fire before killing himself.

To explain why, Yates and Smith are filicides, not familicides; neither attempted to take the life of her spouse. Christopher Foster, though a recent case, does not have the notoriety to have gotten him his own Wiki article (yet?) and so I left him out at present, but would not object if he came back in if his notoriety increases with time. I added Kip Kinkel, whose familicide was limited to parricide but followed up with a killing spree at a local high school, as he is notorious and as he illustrates the parent-killing aspect of familicide, whereas the other examples are all spouse- or child- related. — LisaSmall T/ C 21:04, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Mariticide
I also added, as a related term, mariticide which, though theoretically gender-neutral, is apparently used as the husband-killing version of uxoricide, the killing of a wife. Mariticide seems like a recent coinage and I have frankly never seen it used before today. Perhaps some day soon we'll see partnercide or a similar coinage for same-sex couples. I added parricide but did not bother breaking it out into matricide and patricide as anyone looking up the first term will find the latter two.

Going back to mariticide I feel that I have seen regicide used for a wife killing a husband (yes, I know how obnoxious that is, as regicide is usually the murder of a king) but I won't put it in the article until I can find some decent cites. It may be an archaic term no longer in common parlance. — LisaSmall T/ C 21:04, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Lack of historical (pre-1800) examples and discussion
This page is linked from that on Kievan Rus', where it deals with inheritance disputes 'settled' by killing enough relatives to clear a path to 'legitimate' inheritance. Such murders of all of a family to preclude future pretenders is surely relevant in some other lands' histories. These clearly constitute instances of familicide: yet this page makes no mention of them.

Either a separate page for such dynsticides is needed (if it is felt that this category of familicide is distinct enough that it's best discussed separately) or this page should include some discussion of the historic use of familicide to pursue political goals. 84.215.30.244 (talk) 09:35, 9 July 2015 (UTC) Eddy.

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christopher Forster is a very famous
Famicidal case. We should add him to the notable ones. Killed his wife, daughter, animals and burnt the house down in 2009 Nataliealex (talk) 16:34, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Gender bias
There is a strange use of pronouns in the description of Wilson's typology, as if types 1 to 3 were by definition male ("he") but type 4 non-gender-specific ("they"). In fact the linked BBC article makes it very clear that the model is limited to men/fathers as perpetrators. Only in the last sentence they mention a small minority of 12 women which the team will follow up with future research but who are not meant to be covered by the typology.--92.214.194.103 (talk) 18:02, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Indeed. Needs fixing. See the deviously named Hart family incident. Zezen (talk) 06:21, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

I think it's because perpetrators of violent crimes are usually male even though there are women, nonbinary, etc. who commit them too. I remember reading a guidebook about the Texas Department of Criminal Justice (the prison agency) where the author (a prisoner) deliberately used male pronouns and stated in the foreword that women more or less have the same experience as men in the Texas prison system. WhisperToMe (talk) 01:20, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

It's Jorge Antonio Renaud's Behind the Walls: A Guide for Family and Friends of Texas Inmates. In xii-xiv he states: "I will refer to inmates throughout this book as "he." This is not an attempt to slight or ignore the female inmates. It is a recognition that [...] females undergo the same tribulations, [...] are treated the same by TDCJ staff."" WhisperToMe (talk) 01:23, 1 June 2021 (UTC)