Talk:FamilyVoice Australia

Suggestions
Hi there! I hate when people tag 'my' articles without even bothering to try to fix the reason for the tag (wikify, advert, no-links, etc), but from my experience this article is just begging for a few different tags (which I will NOT put on it out of respect).

First off there are no links to other Wikipedia articles even elementary ones. None of these people, places or things are notable enough to have a Wikipedia entry? Does the 'UK Festival of Light' have an entry?

Second, it's a little too preoccupied with the minutiae of details of it's history. The layout needs to be more in line with Wikipedia style. For Example:


 * Synopsis
 * History
 * Mission
 * Actions
 * See Also
 * Links

Thirdly, it reads like an advertisement and is very 'vague' (weasel words) about what EXACTLY this group does. Do they campaign for people running for office? Do they write letters to TV stations about indecency? Are they Political or Moral or Charitable or all of these or none of these? That vagueness/advertising style will bring down the 'tag masters' with a fury on you. And having those tags will bring in lots of people to scrutinize this article.

Fourthly, because of all the mistakes made so far I can tell the main author is new to Wikipedia. So before you get in a revert war with, for instance, someone who hates FOL-AU. You would help yourself by sticking to facts (who, what, when, why, where, or how) and have linked references to those facts from 'neutral' or 'unbiased' sources like newspapers, or magazines (and not known biased publications that have an agenda). Also be prepared to see things you may not like, like any controversy this group may be embroiled in (if any), added here sooner or later. Unless it's patently untrue or defamatory, if you remove it, then YOU will be breaking the Wikibedia Code of Conduct, not those who made a 'good faith' edit.

Anyway good luck, and it is better (at least a bit) than the stub that was here before.


 * Tiki God 00:36, 1 March 2007 (UTC)


 * It looks like the current version of the article was created on February 4 by who has only edited this article and one edit summary was "Pasted in text provided by David Philips (National President)". It also included changing the disambiguation text from "lobby group" to "Advocacy Group" in the article name. --Scott Davis Talk 01:11, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Can you spell bias? Is there anything in this article that's not copy-pasted from the FoL website? (I'm not, by the way, anti-FoL, just in the midst of writing an essay about the religious Right's comparative lack of success in Australia as opposed to America. This article does not give the whole story.  The Mary Whitehouse tour, for instance, was not the roaring success it is described to be here - as I understand it, it was financially rather unsuccessful, did relatively little to mobilise people and was met with a number of counter-demonstrations.) 04:30, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

This is about tag cleanup. As all of the tags are more than a year old, there is no current discussion relating to them, and there is a great deal of editing done since the tags were placed, they will be removed. This is not a judgement of content. If there is cause to re-tag, then that of course may be done, with the necessary posting of a discussion as to why, and what improvements could be made. This is only an effort to clean out old tags, and permit them to be updated with current issues if warranted.Jjdon (talk) 20:51, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Request for edit
Hi all. FamilyVoice Australia (formerly Festival of Light Australia) is wanting to update its Wikipedia page for FOLA. We've written up a document that includes multiple secondary references. We want to follow the Wikipedia guidelines when doing a major re-edit as we know this could be considered a Conflict of Interest and we would like to update the page in the correct way. Please see below for the new content we'd like to add. We welcome your suggestions:

Fola Nat Pres (talk) 00:05, 3 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Wow. Big effort there! My view is that this is a good faith effort by someone who could easily be accused of having a conflict of interest. It addresses the organisation's name change (which Wikipedia must also do) and does so with limited evident POV. (And I say that as someone who wouldn't normally be described as a supporter.) I would support accepting the change and letting the community massage it into shape as necessary. Obviously a rename/move/redirect will also be required but that is probably best left for a little while. HiLo48 (talk) 02:27, 3 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you HiLO48. I will probably wait a few days to see if we receive any more comments before I begin to upload our changes, and I hope the Wikipedia community can change it as they see fit. Fola Nat Pres (talk) 22:42, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Another edit request
Hi, FamilyVoice Australia is wanting to proceed with the renaming/redirect of this article to the new name of FamilyVoice Australia, but we understand Wikipedia's COI rules. If someone is willing to make these changes for us, please let me know on my talk page and maybe we can work together. If not, we plan to update the page in the coming week with these changes and we hope the Wikipedia community can work it into shape:


 * Move the "Aims" section to the top - already in the article
 * "Publications" section should be second
 * "Activities" should be third
 * "Leave the History alone, but just condense the 'Mixed response', 'Influence on legislation', 'Awards' under the larger History section (Eg, make them subsections of the History section).
 * Add 'Structure and name changes' as subsection to History
 * Add the 2010 Event of Michael Nazir-Ali

Fola Nat Pres (talk) 23:26, 10 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Because our other Username was blocked (understandably), I am now using my personal account to edit information about FamilyVoice Australia (I am no longer employed by the company). I am not doing this to get around the rules, but it was requested they change the username as it did not fit Wikipedia guidelines. NWAnonymous (talk) 23:36, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: not moved; no consensus to move. Prefer the name the subject is known as in reliable sources, not always what the entity calls itself: Official_name. ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 17:43, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Festival of Light Australia → FamilyVoice Australia — The name of the organisation was changed from Festival of Light Australia to FamilyVoice Australia in 2008.--NWAnonymous (talk) 23:42, 16 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose. While the original Festival of Light had a great deal of press from time to time, the rebranded organisation has a relatively small public profile. Both the awards received by its officers and described in the article mention the Festival of Light in the citation, that being the name at the time. Few in Australia would even be aware that the two names refer to the same organisation, so the current official name has little relevance under WP:NC. Andrewa (talk) 08:57, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

History, removed text
I've just removed this;



Rev Fred Nile was elected national co-ordinator of the Australian Festival of Light at a meeting of state branch representatives in late 1974, where John Court was appointed the first national chairman. David and Roslyn Phillips were appointed editors of the national magazine Light and the first edition in January 1975 featured the campaign against the controversial Family Law Bill. Light was published four times a year and mailed to supporters in all state branches.

In 1981 Nile was first elected to the New South Wales Legislative Council as leader of the Call to Australia Party, later renamed the Christian Democratic Party (CDP). Call to Australia and the CDP have always been independent of Festival of Light, which was never a political party. Nile has continued as a member of the NSW parliament, but retired as director of the NSW Festival of Light in May 2007.

...because it had no reference to a reliable source (see WP:V.

 Chzz  ► 00:02, 17 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that. I was going to say that it mentions this information on Fred Nile's Wikipedia page, but then realised that info also needs a citation. I understand there's not much I can do about this. NWAnonymous (talk) 00:06, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Move to FamilyVoice Australia
I had moved the article to FamilyVoice Australia before looking here. At the present time, FamilyVoice Australia has more prominence on the web, Festival Of Light now gives prominence to Wikipedia articles, I think the world has moved on. It doesn't appear that using FamilyVoice Australia is recognised particularly well, Family Voice Australia is more commonly used in the media. Paul foord (talk) 05:52, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

POV issues
The article seems to be a watered down advertorial, keeping POV text about nebulous weasel phrases "Chrisitan family values"

I've moved the section 'issues of concern' to 'views and lobbying efforts' in line with the Australian Christian Lobby.

I've added text briefly describing issues as they have been reported in the mainstream media, needs expansion:

POV issues
The article seems to be a watered down advertorial, keeping POV text about nebulous weasel phrases "Chrisitan family values"

I've moved the section 'issues of concern' to 'views and lobbying efforts' in line with the Australian Christian Lobby.

I've added text briefly describing issues as they have been reported in the mainstream media, needs expansion:

I'll modify the lead text in future to more accurately reflect NPOV references to FamilyVoice in the media.

-- Aronzak (talk) 19:28, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

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How is the new name any less ambiguous than the old?
The article tells me this body changed its name to FamilyVoice so it would be less ambiguous. Can the article also please tell us how this can possibly be the case? There is an awful lot of families whose voices they would never represent. I would dearly love an explanation. HiLo48 (talk) 03:56, 25 April 2018 (UTC)