Talk:Family 1/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Ealdgyth (talk · contribs) 15:58, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

I'll get to this in the next few days. Ealdgyth (talk) 15:58, 17 January 2024 (UTC)


 * GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)


 * 1) It is reasonably well written.
 * a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
 * 1) It is factually accurate and verifiable.
 * a (reference section): b (inline citations to reliable sources):  c (OR):  d (copyvio and plagiarism):
 * 1) It is broad in its coverage.
 * a (major aspects): b (focused):
 * 1) It follows the neutral point of view policy.
 * Fair representation without bias:
 * 1) It is stable.
 * No edit wars, etc.:
 * 1) It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
 * a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * I randomly googled three phrases and only turned up Wikipedia mirrors. Earwig's tool shows no sign of copyright violation.
 * General:
 * Not required, but could we list the languages for the sources not in English?
 * Added Stephen Walch (talk) 21:05, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * I randomly googled three phrases and only turned up Wikipedia mirrors. Earwig's tool shows no sign of copyright violation.
 * General:
 * Not required, but could we list the languages for the sources not in English?
 * Added Stephen Walch (talk) 21:05, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Added Stephen Walch (talk) 21:05, 23 January 2024 (UTC)


 * "Family 1" or "family 1" - the article is inconsistent and should settle on one or the other.
 * Have converted all to "Family 1" Stephen Walch (talk) 21:05, 23 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Spotchecks:
 * "Family 1, also known as the Lake Group, is the name given to a group of Greek New Testament minuscule manuscripts of the Gospels, identified by biblical scholar Kirsopp Lake." is sourced to Metzinger 4th ed p. 86 which supports all of the information except "also known as the Lake Group" which needs some sort of source
 * ''Actually couldn't find a single source which referred to it as "the Lake Group" bar the encyclopedia of textual criticism; however as no source there, I've just removed this completely. Stephen Walch (talk) 21:05, 23 January 2024 (UTC)


 * " (The text-types are groups of different New Testament manuscripts which share specific or generally related readings, which then differ from each other group, and thus the conflicting readings can separate out the groups. These are then used to determine the original text as published; the three main types are as above.)" is sourced to Metzinger 4th ed. pp. 205-230 which near as I can tell does support the information (it's a rather ... convoluted section in the source - heh.)
 * "Biblical scholar Amy Anderson made a new reconstruction of the family tree in 2004, demonstrating minuscule 1582 was a more exact representation of the text of the archetype than minuscule 1." is sourced to Anderson p. 114 but p. 114 is actually a different conference paper - Anderson's paper runs from p. 119 to p. 161. - this should be fixed.
 * Fixed Stephen Walch (talk) 21:05, 23 January 2024 (UTC)


 * "A similar scholion appears in the minuscules 22, 1192, and 1210:

Note Prior to Mark 16:9-20[5]: 132 " is sourced to Anderson p. 132 which supports the information
 * "Biblical scholar Silva Lake (wife of Kirsopp Lake), discovered that Minuscule 652 represents the text of ƒ1 in Mark 4:20-6:24, though this agreement was mainly with minuscules 118, 131, and 209, as opposed to a similar agreement with minuscule 1." is sourced to this source p. 33 which supports the information
 * "According to the Claremont Profile Method (a specific analysis of textual data), the group profiles of the Lake's Family in Luke 1, 10, and 20 are:

Luke 1: 9, 11, 17, 20, (22), 23, 24, 25, 26, 28, 29, 32, (34), 36, 37, 40, 43, (47), 48, 50, 51, 53. Luke 10: 2, 5, 6, 7, 11, 13, 15, 20, 22, (23), 27, (29), 34, 37, 40, 44, 45, 46, 49, 50, 51, 52, 54, 55, 56, 58, 59, 62. Luke 20: 1, 5, 6, (7), 10, 11, 14, 19, 20, 25, 27, 28, 29, 31, 33, 41, 44, 45, 48, 51, 56, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 66, 67, 68, 69, 72, 75, 76." is sourced to this source p. 106 which supports the information
 * See also:
 * Per MOS:SEEALSO "As a general rule, the "See also" section should not repeat links that appear in the article's body" - at least Caesarean text-type should be removed. Also, biblical manuscript and textual criticism should probably be linked in the article text rather than used as a see also links.
 * Sorted this out too. Stephen Walch (talk) 21:05, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I've put the article on hold for seven days to allow folks to address the issues I've brought up. Feel free to contact me on my talk page, or here with any concerns, and let me know one of those places when the issues have been addressed. If I may suggest that you strike out, check mark, or otherwise mark the items I've detailed, that will make it possible for me to see what's been addressed, and you can keep track of what's been done and what still needs to be worked on. Ealdgyth (talk) 16:02, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @Ealdgyth: I have hopefully sorted out the changes you required. Anything else, please let me know. :) Stephen Walch (talk) 21:05, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Changes look good, passing this now. Ealdgyth (talk) 15:52, 26 January 2024 (UTC)