Talk:Family tree of Chinese monarchs (middle)

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Balthazarduju, many thanks for your attempts to help my versions of the Chinese imperial family trees. Your view that the Sui should have its own family tree is a valid point of view, but I felt that because the Sui and Tang Dynasty families were so closely related, and because the Sui Dynasty was so short anyway, that it would be helpful to combine the family trees to show how they are related. By the way, these are not the main pages for the dynasties, only the family trees of the dynasties' imperial families.BartBassist (talk) 00:05, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Include distant ancestors of Tang emperors
At Chinese emperors family tree (ancient), we include distant (and prominent) ancestors of the Shang and Zhou emperors who were not monarchs, so why don't we the same here? Direct ancestors of the Tang emperors like Li Chong'er, Li Hu, Li Bing, Li Gao, Li Guang, and Laozi should definetly be on there.

Other prominent people like Li Xin (duke), Li Xun and Li Ling (Han Dynasty) who were not direct ancestors but related by being descended from the same ancestors (Li Ling was a grandson of Li Guang and Li Xin was Li Gao's son and Li Xun was his grandson) should also be included since the Shang dynasty family tree also spins off many times into collateral branches.Sonny Fin (talk) 02:09, 7 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Sounds like a good idea to me, if you have the patience to do it. BartBassist (talk) 22:31, 24 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I have the complete information for the tang dynasty family tree. I will complete in on this talk page, then put the finished version in the article, if User:星光下的人 objects to it on the grounds that the tang emperors faked it, we can add that info with a source noting that its authenticity is challenged.Mr reems 45kg (talk) 20:35, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

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李宗，楚國苦縣人，字尊祖，魏國木大夫. Li Zong, of Ku county in the State of Chu. Personal name: Zunzu. Served as an official in charge of forestry in the State of Wei. 李同，趙國大將軍. Li Tong, served as Grand General in the State of Zhao. 李兌，趙國丞相. Li Dui, Prime Minister of the State of Zhao. 李躋，趙國陽安君. Li Ji, Lord of Yang'an in the State of Zhao. 李恪，字道弘，秦國太子太傅. Li Ke, personal name Daohong, Tutor to the Crown Prince in the State of Qin. 李興族，字育神，一名汪，秦國將軍. Li Xingzu, personal name Yushen, also named Li Wang. A general in the State of Qin. 李曇，字貴遠，趙國柏人縣侯，入秦國為御史大夫. Li Tan, personal name Guiyuan. Marquis of Bairen county in the State of Zhao, moved to the State of Qin and served as Supreme Censor. 李崇，字伯，隴西郡太守、南鄭公. （注：隴西李氏房系始于此）Li Chong, personal name Bo. Prefect of Longxi and Duke of Nanzheng. (Note: the family line of the Li of Longxi started from him) 李平瑤，字內德，南郡太守、狄道侯. Li Pingyao, personal name Neide. Prefect of Nan and Marquis of Didao. 李信，字有成，大將軍、隴西侯. Li Xin, personal name Youcheng. Served as Grand General and enfeoffed as Marquis of Longxi. 李超，一名伉，字仁高，漢大將軍、漁陽郡太守. Li Chao, also named Li Kang, personal name Rengao. Grand General of the Han and Prefect of Yuyang. 李仲翔，河東郡太守、征西將軍. Li Zhongxiang, Prefect of Hedong who also held the military rank of General Who Conquers the West. 李伯考，隴西、河東二郡太守. Li Bokao, served as Prefect of Longxi and Hedong. 李尚，成紀縣令. Li Shang, magistrate of Chengji county. 李廣，前將軍. Li Guang, General of the Front Guard. [Famous Han general] 李敢，字幼卿，郎中令、關內侯. Li Gan, personal name Youqing. Minister of the Imperial Bodyguard and Marquis of Guannei. 李禹，字子通. Li Yu, personal name Zitong. 李丞公，字丞公，河南郡太守. Li Chenggong, personal name Chenggong [one of the cases where the personal name chosen is the same as the given name], Prefect of Henan. 李先，字敬宗，蜀、北平二郡太守. Li Xian, personal name Jingzong. Prefect of Shu and Beiping. 李長宗，字伯禮，漁陽郡丞. Li Zhangzong, personal name Boli. Secretary to the Prefect of Yuyang. 李君況，字叔，一字子期，博士、議郎、太中大夫. Li Junkuang, personal name Shu, alternate personal name Ziqi. Served as Imperial Savant, Court Consultant, and Intermediate Minister. 李本，字上明，郎中、侍御史. Li Ben, personal name Shangming. Served as Court Attendant and Censor. 李次公，字仲君，巴郡太守、西夷校尉. Li Cigong, personal name Zhongjun. Prefect of Ba and Captain of the Western Barbarians (i.e. in charge of controlling the "barbarians" in Sichuan) 李軌，字文逸，三國魏臨淮郡太守、司農卿. Li Gui, personal name Wenyi. Prefect of Linhuai in Wei of the Three Kingdoms, later Minister of Farming. 李隆，字彥緒，長安令、積弩將軍. Li Long, personal name Yanxu. Magistrate of Chang'an and General of Massed Crossbows. 李艾，字世績，西晉驍騎將軍、魏郡太守. Li Ai, personal name Shiji. General of Cavalry and Prefect of Wei in the Western Jin. 李雍，字俊熙，濟北、東莞二郡太守. Li Yong, personal name Junxi. Prefect of Jibei and Dongguan [in the Western Jin]. 李弇，字季子，前涼張駿天水郡太守、武衛將軍、安西亭侯. Li Yan, personal name Jizi. Served Zhang Jun, king of the Former Liang, as Prefect of Tianshui, General of the Bodyguard, and Marquis of Anxi Pavilion. 李昶，字仲堅，前涼太子侍講. Li Chang, personal name Zhongjian. Lecturer to the Crown Prince of the Former Liang. 李暠，字玄盛，西涼武昭王、興聖皇帝. Li Gao, personal name Xuansheng. King Wuzhao of the Western Liang [which he founded in 400 AD] and posthumously given the title of Emperor Xingsheng. 李歆，字士業，西涼後主. Li Xin, personal name Shiye, last ruler of the Western Liang. 李重耳，字景順，以國亡奔宋，為汝南郡太守. 北魏克豫州，以地歸之，拜恒農郡太守，複為宋將薛安都所陷，北魏安南將軍、豫州刺史.

李宗，楚國苦縣人，字尊祖，魏國木大夫. Li Zong, of Ku county in the State of Chu. Personal name: Zunzu. Served as an official in charge of forestry in the State of Wei.

李同，趙國大將軍. Li Tong, served as Grand General in the State of Zhao.

李兌，趙國丞相. Li Dui, Prime Minister of the State of Zhao.

李躋，趙國陽安君. Li Ji, Lord of Yang'an in the State of Zhao.

李恪，字道弘，秦國太子太傅. Li Ke, personal name Daohong, Tutor to the Crown Prince in the State of Qin.

李興族，字育神，一名汪，秦國將軍. Li Xingzu, personal name Yushen, also named Li Wang. A general in the State of Qin.

李曇，字貴遠，趙國柏人縣侯，入秦國為御史大夫. Li Tan, personal name Guiyuan. Marquis of Bairen county in the State of Zhao, moved to the State of Qin and served as Supreme Censor.

李崇，字伯，隴西郡太守、南鄭公. （注：隴西李氏房系始于此）Li Chong, personal name Bo. Prefect of Longxi and Duke of Nanzheng. (Note: the family line of the Li of Longxi started from him)

李平瑤，字內德，南郡太守、狄道侯. Li Pingyao, personal name Neide. Prefect of Nan and Marquis of Didao.

李信，字有成，大將軍、隴西侯. Li Xin, personal name Youcheng. Served as Grand General and enfeoffed as Marquis of Longxi.

李超，一名伉，字仁高，漢大將軍、漁陽郡太守. Li Chao, also named Li Kang, personal name Rengao. Grand General of the Han and Prefect of Yuyang.

李仲翔，河東郡太守、征西將軍. Li Zhongxiang, Prefect of Hedong who also held the military rank of General Who Conquers the West.

李伯考，隴西、河東二郡太守. Li Bokao, served as Prefect of Longxi and Hedong.

李尚，成紀縣令. Li Shang, magistrate of Chengji county.李廣，前將軍. Li Guang, General of the Front Guard. [Famous Han general]

李敢，字幼卿，郎中令、關內侯. Li Gan, personal name Youqing. Minister of the Imperial Bodyguard and Marquis of Guannei.

李禹，字子通. Li Yu, personal name Zitong.

李丞公，字丞公，河南郡太守. Li Chenggong, personal name Chenggong [one of the cases where the personal name chosen is the same as the given name], Prefect of Henan.

李先，字敬宗，蜀、北平二郡太守. Li Xian, personal name Jingzong. Prefect of Shu and Beiping.

李長宗，字伯禮，漁陽郡丞. Li Zhangzong, personal name Boli. Secretary to the Prefect of Yuyang.

李君況，字叔，一字子期，博士、議郎、太中大夫. Li Junkuang, personal name Shu, alternate personal name Ziqi. Served as Imperial Savant, Court Consultant, and Intermediate Minister.

李本，字上明，郎中、侍御史. Li Ben, personal name Shangming. Served as Court Attendant and Censor.

李次公，字仲君，巴郡太守、西夷校尉. Li Cigong, personal name Zhongjun. Prefect of Ba and Captain of the Western Barbarians (i.e. in charge of controlling the "barbarians" in Sichuan)

李軌，字文逸，三國魏臨淮郡太守、司農卿. Li Gui, personal name Wenyi. Prefect of Linhuai in Wei of the Three Kingdoms, later Minister of Farming.

李隆，字彥緒，長安令、積弩將軍. Li Long, personal name Yanxu. Magistrate of Chang'an and General of Massed Crossbows.

李艾，字世績，西晉驍騎將軍、魏郡太守. Li Ai, personal name Shiji. General of Cavalry and Prefect of Wei in the Western Jin.李雍，字俊熙，濟北、東莞二郡太守. Li Yong, personal name Junxi. Prefect of Jibei and Dongguan [in the Western Jin].

李弇，字季子，前涼張駿天水郡太守、武衛將軍、安西亭侯. Li Yan, personal name Jizi. Served Zhang Jun, king of the Former Liang, as Prefect of Tianshui, General of the Bodyguard, and Marquis of Anxi Pavilion.

李昶，字仲堅，前涼太子侍講. Li Chang, personal name Zhongjian. Lecturer to the Crown Prince of the Former Liang.

李暠，字玄盛，西涼武昭王、興聖皇帝. Li Gao, personal name Xuansheng. King Wuzhao of the Western Liang [which he founded in 400 AD] and posthumously given the title of Emperor Xingsheng.

李歆，字士業，西涼後主. Li Xin, personal name Shiye, last ruler of the Western Liang

李重耳，字景順，以國亡奔宋，為汝南郡太守. 北魏克豫州，以地歸之，拜恒農郡太守，複為宋將薛安都所陷，北魏安南將軍、豫州刺史. Li Chong'er, personal name Jingshun. When the Western Liang was conquered [by the Northern Liang in 421], he fled to the Liu-Song and was appointed Prefect of Runan. Later, when the Northern Wei conquered Yuzhou province he surrendered to them and was appointed Prefect of Hengnong. Yuzhou was then recaptured by General Xue Andu of the Song. Later served as General Who Subdues the South and Governor of Yuzhou under the Northern Wei.

李熙，字孟良，北魏金門鎮將. （唐獻祖） Li Xi, personal name Mengliang. General garrisoning Jinmen under the Northern Wei. Posthumously given the title Xianzu by the Tang dynasty.

李天賜，字德真. （唐懿祖） Li Tianci, personal name Dezhen. Posthumously given the title Tang Yizu.

李虎，字文彬，北周柱國大將軍、唐國襄公. （唐太祖）

Li Hu, personal name Wenbin. Grand Pillar-of-the-State General under the Northern Zhou, and enfeoffed as Duke Xiang of the Duchy of Tang [Origin of the name of the Tang dynasty]. Posthumously given the title Tang Taizu.

李昺，北周安州總管、柱國大將軍、唐國仁公. （唐代祖） Li Bing, served the Northern Zhou as Military Superintendent of Anzhou, Grand Pillar-of-the-State General, and Duke Ren of Tang. Posthumously Tang Daizu.

李淵，生於長安，唐高祖. Li Yuan, born in Chang'an. Founder of the Tang dynasty and posthumously Tang Gaozu.

List of Tang dynasty ancestors and relatives
Li Dan (Laozi) 李宗，楚國苦縣人，字尊祖，魏國木大夫. Li Zong, of Ku county in the State of Chu. Personal name: Zunzu. Served as an official in charge of forestry in the State of Wei.

李同，趙國大將軍. Li Tong, served as Grand General in the State of Zhao.

李兌，趙國丞相. Li Dui, Prime Minister of the State of Zhao.

李躋，趙國陽安君. Li Ji, Lord of Yang'an in the State of Zhao.

李恪，字道弘，秦國太子太傅. Li Ke, personal name Daohong, Tutor to the Crown Prince in the State of Qin.

李興族，字育神，一名汪，秦國將軍. Li Xingzu, personal name Yushen, also named Li Wang. A general in the State of Qin.

李曇，字貴遠，趙國柏人縣侯，入秦國�� �御史大夫. Li Tan, personal name Guiyuan. Marquis of Bairen county in the State of Zhao, moved to the State of Qin and served as Supreme Censor.

李崇，字伯，隴西郡太守、南鄭公. （注：隴西李�� �房系始于此） Li Chong, personal name Bo. Prefect of Longxi and Duke of Nanzheng. (Note: the family line of the Li of Longxi started from him)

李平瑤，字內德，南郡太守、狄道侯�� � Li Pingyao, personal name Neide. Prefect of Nan and Marquis of Didao.

李信，字有成，大將軍、隴西侯. Li Xin, personal name Youcheng. Served as Grand General and enfeoffed as Marquis of Longxi.

李超，一名伉，字仁高，漢大將軍、漁陽郡太守. Li Chao, also named Li Kang, personal name Rengao. Grand General of the Han and Prefect of Yuyang.

李仲翔，河東郡太守、征西將軍. Li Zhongxiang, Prefect of Hedong who also held the military rank of General Who Conquers the West.

李伯考，隴西、河東二郡太守. Li Bokao, served as Prefect of Longxi and Hedong.

李尚，成紀縣令. Li Shang, magistrate of Chengji county.

李廣，前將軍. Li Guang, General of the Front Guard. [Famous Han general]

李敢，字幼卿，郎中令、關內侯. Li Gan, personal name Youqing. Minister of the Imperial Bodyguard and Marquis of Guannei.

李禹，字子通. Li Yu, personal name Zitong.

李丞公，字丞公，河南郡太守. Li Chenggong, personal name Chenggong [one of the cases where the personal name chosen is the same as the given name], Prefect of Henan.

李先，字敬宗，蜀、北平二郡太守. Li Xian, personal name Jingzong. Prefect of Shu and Beiping.

李長宗，字伯禮，漁陽郡丞. Li Zhangzong, personal name Boli. Secretary to the Prefect of Yuyang.

李君況，字叔，一字子期，博士、議郎、太中大夫. Li Junkuang, personal name Shu, alternate personal name Ziqi. Served as Imperial Savant, Court Consultant, and Intermediate Minister.

李本，字上明，郎中、侍御史. Li Ben, personal name Shangming. Served as Court Attendant and Censor.

李次公，字仲君，巴郡太守、西夷校�� �. 李 Cigong，個人名字忠軍. 廣管局和西方野蠻人 （即負責控制四川"野蠻人"） 的船長省省長

李軌，字文逸，三國魏臨淮郡太守、司卿. 李桂，個人名字文儀. 三國演義，以後的農業部長魏淮陰省省長.

李隆，字彥緒，長安令、積弩將軍. 李龍個人名字南門外. 長安和一般的大規模集結弩的裁判官.

李艾，字世績，西晉驍騎將軍、魏郡太守. 李 Ai，個人名字石基. 總騎兵和西晉魏省省長.

李雍，字俊熙，濟北、東莞二郡太守. 李勇峻羲個人名稱. 冀北、 東莞 [在西晉] 省省長.

李弇，字季子，前涼張駿天水郡太守、武衛將軍、安西亭. 李豔個人名字箕子. 先得的張軍、 前良，作為省長的天水、 保鏢，一般和安溪亭侯王.

李昶，字仲堅，前涼太子侍講. 李昌、 個人名稱中建. 到前梁王儲的講師.

李暠，字玄盛，西涼武昭王、興聖皇. 李高個人名字焦. 中舞著國王的西涼 [其中他成立于 400 AD] 和諡給皇帝興盛的標題.

李歆，字士業，西涼後主. 李信，個人名字世冶坩，西良的最後一個統治者.

李重耳，字景順，以國亡奔宋，為汝南郡太守. 南北克豫州，以地歸之，拜恒農郡太守，為宋將薛安都所陷，北魏安南將軍、 豫州刺史. 李魯國，個人名字京順路. 當西方良 [由 421 中北部良] 征服了時，他逃到劉歌和被任命為省長的汝南. 後來當北魏征服了禹州省他向他們投降，被任命為省長的 Hengnong. 然後通過這首歌的一般薛安禹州再次被抓獲. 後來擔任一般人 Subdues 南方和總督下北魏禹州市.

李熙，字孟良，北魏金門鎮將. （唐獻祖） 李十一、 個人名字孟. 一般根據北魏金門駐軍. 諡給標題湯顯祖的唐代.

李天賜，字德真. （唐懿祖） 李天賜、 個人名字得真. 諡給予鄧哈薩克族的標題.

李虎，字文彬，北周柱國大將軍、唐國襄公. （唐太祖） 李胡文彬個人名稱. 大支柱---國家一般根據北周，和 enfeoffed 作為 [唐朝的名稱的由來] 唐公爵歸西. 諡給予鄧太祖標題.

李昺，北周安州總管、柱國大將軍、唐國仁公. （唐祖） 李冰送達北部周作為安州大支柱---國家軍事警司一般和鄧公爵任. 諡鄧傣族.

李渊，生于长安，唐高祖. Li Yuan, born in Chang'an. Founder of the Tang dynasty and posthumously Tang Gaozu.

李廣 Li Guang

李當戶 Li Danghu

李陵 Li Ling

阿熱氏 Areshi

李陽冰 Li Yangbing

李白 Li Bai — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr reems 45kg (talk • contribs) 20:01, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

tang dynasty family tree(incomplete)



 * I am so sorry your work is useless.This line come frome New Book of Tang:the line table of Royal Family(《新唐书·宗室世系表》)，according to the research of Chinese historian Chen Yinke,which are 《李唐氏族之推测》、《李唐氏族之推测后记》、《三论李唐氏族问题》 ,family of Li yuan is not descendant of Li Gao(李暠),Li Gao 's family is called Clan Li of Longxi (陇西李氏).Chen Yinke pointed out family of Li yuan is descendant of Clan Li of Zhaojun(赵郡李氏),or just descendant of Clan Li of Guang'e(广阿李氏), the government of Tang counterfeited their line.Most scholars agree Chen Yinke 's research .And about Liling,you can see 《北魏、北周、唐时期追祖李陵现象述论——以“拓跋鲜卑系李陵之后》.--115.152.119.103 (talk) 13:31, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Add these people
Li Yangbing, Li Bai, Li_Gao


 * Li_Bai


 * 李暠


 * 李商隐


 * 李白


 * 李歆


 * 李翱


 * 李恂 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr reems 45kg (talk • contribs) 08:01, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Sui dynasty

 * This the same question of Tang dynasty.According to the research of Chinese historian Chen Yinke ,which is in the book of 《王永兴说隋唐》,the family of Yang Jian is impossible for descendant of Yangzhen(杨震) .Mengman(蒙曼) 'book 《蒙曼说隋 隋文帝杨坚 上》、Yuangang(袁刚)'s book 《隋文帝传》and Hansheng (韩升)'s book 《隋炀帝传》all agree Chen Yinke 's point.--115.152.119.103 (talk) 14:04, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Line of Chinese emperors
I don't know you whether or not understand Chinese ,but the line of Chinese emperors is so complicated ,emperors always counterfeited their line.So you must read some Chinese scholar's research，instead of the web article.--115.152.119.103 (talk) 14:29, 6 June 2014 (UTC)


 * There are Shinto gods on the Japanese imperial family tree and half the Emperors on their are most likely fake and we even have fictional family trees so what is your point?Rajmaan (talk) 16:03, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The mistake of other people is not the reason for exonerating ourselves 'mistake,and that page is not Policies and guidelines.I have no futher understanding for Japanese imperial ,but I think the gods of that line must be move.--115.152.119.54 (talk) 00:58, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
 * And about fictional family trees,they are fictional ,do you think House of Tang Dynasty is also fictional?--115.152.119.54 (talk) 01:18, 7 June 2014 (UTC)


 * These claims of descent are addressed here. Descent_from_antiquity Yellow_emperor. Its not our problem if thry are fake, on Emperor Jimmu's article, it even says historians regard him and the earliest Japanese Emperors as fake and nonexistent people but we still have an article about him showing how the Japanese Emperors claimed him as their ancestor and built shrines to honor his cult. It is the same with Laozi, Daoism was declared an official religion by the Tang Emperors, and they gave titles and elevated his status and because what they did had an effect in the real world, it is mentioned by historians. So is the claimed relation between the Yenisei Kirghiz and Li Ling, it had an effect in the real world since they used this as an excuse to ally with the Tang dynasty and fight against the Uyghur Khaganate.Rajmaan (talk) 04:01, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The mistake of other people is not the reason for exonerating ourselves 'mistake,do you have seen what I said?Please read the the research of Chen Yinke instead of guesswork,almost all of Chinese  historians now don't belive Tang Emperors are descendant of Li Gao.

And about Li Ling,just read ,or Chinese Wiki 李陵 paragraph "追祖李陵的现象":"他们中绝大部分的真实性并不为学术界认可",translate into English "the facticity of most of them (claimed themselves descent of Li Ling include Uyghur Khaganate) are not authorized by academic circle."--115.152.118.219 (talk) 10:51, 16 June 2014 (UTC)


 * The topic is about the claimed ancestry of the Tang Emperors. It doesn't matter if its fake or not as long as it is notable and is discussed in reliable sources. Since it had a big impact on their foreign relations and state religion, that is the same reason we have articles about religions nobody believes in anymore. The purpose is to show what the Tang Emperors claimed as their ancestors and for what reasons.Rajmaan (talk) 14:56, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure how it could be indicated, but it would be valuable to include the claimed ancestral line. Could we put something like Fu Manchu (claimed ancestor)? Somebody can probably think of a better way, but to me and my students it would be good to see how the Li family presented itself. ch (talk) 15:22, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Expansion proposal
I propose adding the family trees of the monarchs from the Southern and Northern Dynasties or even from Wu Hu period. El Otro (talk) 15:44, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Liu Song
User_talk:Nlu

Book of Song, vol. 1

Emperor Wu of Liu Song


 * Liu Jiao, Prince Yuan of Chu
 * Liu Fu (劉富), the Marquess of Hongyi (or, potentially, Marques Yi of Hong, although it would be odd to be rendered this way)
 * Liu Pijiang (劉辟疆), the minister of imperial clan affairs
 * Liu De (劉德), Marquess Mou of Yangcheng
 * Liu Anmin (劉安民), Marquess Jie of Yangcheng
 * Liu Qingji (劉慶忌), Marquess Xi of Yangcheng
 * Liu Cen (劉岑), Marquess Su of Yangcheng
 * Liu Ping (劉平), the minister of imperial clan affairs
 * (name unknown), the magistrate of Dongwu (rendered as 東武城, making it unclear whether this was a county or not)
 * Liu Jing (劉景), the governor of Donglai Commandery
 * Liu Qia (劉洽), who passed the mingjing examinations
 * Liu Hong (劉弘), imperial scholar
 * Liu Kui (劉悝), the commander of the Langye Commandery militia
 * (name unknown), the governor of Dingxiang Commandery for Cao Wei (thus marking the end of Han here)
 * Liu Liang (劉亮), the magistrate of Yecheng
 * Liu Ying (劉膺), the governor of Beiping Commandery for Jin (thus marking the end of Cao Wei here)
 * Liu Xi (劉熈), a secretary to the prime minister (相國 - a rarely given title, suggesting that this might have been Sima Lun)
 * Liu Xusun (劉旭孫), the magistrate of Kaifeng
 * Liu Hun (劉混), who crossed the Yangtze River (i.e., escaping the Central Plains turmoil), who took up residence at Jingkou, who became magistrate of Wuyuan
 * Liu Jing (劉靖), the governor of Dong'an Commandery
 * Liu Qiao (劉翹), a police officer for the commandery
 * Liu Yu

Northern Wei
User_talk:Nlu

Here they are. No relationships were explicitly stated for the earliest ones in the Book of Wei; presumably they were father-son, but the Book of Wei could have explicitly stated that and chose not to. (Of course, there are later historians who think that these early ancestries were all fabricated, but I actually think there was no reason to fabricate.)


 * Tuoba Mao, posthumously honored Emperor Cheng
 * Tuoba Dai, posthumously honored Emperor Jie
 * Tuoba Guan, posthumously honored Emperor Zhuang
 * Tuoba Lou, posthumously honored Emperor Ming
 * Tuoba Yue, posthumously honored Emperor An
 * Tuoba Tuiyin, posthumously honored Emperor Xuan
 * Tuoba Li, posthumously honored Emperor Jing
 * Tuoba Si (not to be confused with the next one or the later Northern Wei emperor), posthumously honored Emperor Yuan
 * Tuoba Si (not to be confused with the last one or the later Northern Wei emperor), posthumously honored Emperor He
 * Tuoba Ji, posthumously honored Emperor Ding
 * Tuoba Gai, posthumously honored Emperor Xi
 * Tuoba Kuai, posthumously honored Emperor Wei
 * Tuoba Lin, posthumously honored Emperor Xian
 * Tuoba Jiefen, son of Tuoba Lin, posthumously honored Emperor Shengwu
 * Tuoba Liwei, son of Tuoba Jiefen, posthumously honored Emperor Shenyuan with the temple name Shizu
 * Tuoba Shamohan, son of Tuoba Liwei, posthumously honored Emperor Wen
 * Tuoba Xilu, son of Tuoba Liwei, posthumously honored Emperor Zhang
 * Tuoba Chuo, son of Tuoba Liwei, posthumously honored Emperor Ping
 * Tuoba Fu, son of Tuoba Shamohan, posthumously honored Emperor Si
 * Tuoba Luguan, son of Tuoba Liwei, posthumously honored Emperor Zhao

Tuoba Luguan divided his people into three parts. He ruled the eastern part himself. He gave the other two parts to two sons of Tuoba Shamohan:


 * Central: Tuoba Yiyi, son of Tuoba Shamohan, posthumously honored Emperor Huan
 * West: Tuoba Yilu, son of Tuoba Shamohan, posthumously honored Emperor Mu

Upon Tuoba Luguan's and Tuoba Yiyi's deaths, the three parts were reunited under Tuoba Yilu, who was the first Duke of Dai (and then Prince of Dai). After his death, the rulers all continued to carry the title of Prince of Dai.


 * Tuoba Pugen, son of Tuoba Yiyi (not posthumously honored)
 * Son of Tuoba Pugen, unnamed in historical sources, who died in childhood
 * Tuoba Yulü, son of Tuoba Fu, posthumously honored Emperor Pingwen with the temple name Taizu
 * Tuoba Henu, son of Tuoba YIyi, posthumously honored Emperor Hui
 * Tuoba Gena, son of Tuoba Yiyi, posthumously honored Emperor Yang

During Tuoba Gena's reign, he was overthrown by the chieftains and replaced by Tuoba Yihuai, son of Tuoba Yulü, posthumously honored Emperor Lie. Later, Tuoba Yihuai was himself overthrown, and Tuoba Gena returned. Tuoba Gena was later overthrown again and again replaced by Tuoba Yihuai.

That takes us to the last Prince of Dai, Tuoba Shiyijian, son of Tuoba Yule and younger brother of Tuoba Yihuai, posthumously honored Emperor Zhaocheng, with the temple name of Gaozu. Officially, Northern Wei's founder Tuoba Gui was the grandson of Tuoba Shiyijian, with Tuoba Gui's father Tuoba Shi (posthumously honored Emperor Xianming) having predeceased Tuoba Shiyijian. However, other sources suggest that Tuoba Gui might actually be the son of Tuoba Shiyijian and that Tuoba Shi was a manufactured person to avoid acknowledging that Tuoba Gui overthrew Tuoba Shiyijian and surrendered to Former Qin.

Any other information needed? --Nlu (talk) 17:38, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Gaochang
As far as Gaochang is concerned, as far as I can see, of the official histories:
 * Book of Jin does not have a volume or part of volume on Gaochang.
 * Book of Song has a very minimal amount of information on Gaochang in volume 98, which was largely about "the Di" - i.e., Chouchi - and "the Hu" - i.e., Northern Liang.
 * Book of Southern Qi contains no real information.
 * Book of Liang, volume 54 lists two kings: Qu Jia (King Zhaowu) and Qu Zijian (son of Qu Jia).
 * Book of Chen contains no information.
 * Book of Wei, volume 101 lists these kings:
 * Kan clan
 * Kan Bozhou (the first king, created by Rouran)
 * Kan Yicheng, son of Kan Bozhou
 * Kan Shougui, son of Kan Bozhou, older brother of Kan Yicheng, killed by Gaoche king Kezhiluo (Azhiluo in Book of Sui and History of Northern Dynasties)
 * Individual kings
 * Zhang Mengming, created by Gaoche, later assassinated
 * Ma Ru, later assassinated
 * Qu clan
 * Qu Jia
 * Qu Jian (note that Book of Liang refers to him as Qu Fijian); Book of Wei said that after that, communications were cut
 * Book of Northern Qi contains no information.
 * Book of Zhou, volume 50) listed Kan Bozhou, Kan Shougui (which it asserted was a nephew, not a son, of Kan Bozhou), Zhang Mengming, Ma Ru, Qu Jia, and Qu Jian. It then gave some additional names:
 * Qu Xuanxi, son of Qu Jian
 * Qu Mao - who had been Gaochang's Duke of Tiandi (the Book of Zhou explained that Gaochang had two dukes under the king, the Duke of Jiaohe and the Duke of Tiandi and that they were generally the sons of the king) but who was not otherwise given a familial relationship
 * Unnamed king - may or may not be Qu Mao - who offered tributes subsequently
 * Book of Sui, volume 83 listed Kan Bozhou, Kan Yicheng, Kan Shougui (which it also asserted was a nephew, not a son, of Kan Bozhou), Zhang Mengming, Ma Ru, Qu Jia, Qu Jian - and then diverges from the Book of Zhou
 * Qu Boya, son of Qu Jian
 * History of the Southern Dynasties, volume 79 listed Qu Jia and Qu Zijian
 * History of the Northern Dynasties, volume 97 listed Kan Bozhou, Kan Yicheng, Kan Shougui (asserted to be nephew and not son of Kan Bozhou), Zhang Mengming, Ma Ru, Qu Jia, Qu Xuanjia, Qu Mao
 * Old Book of Tang, volume 198 started with Qu Boya, whom it asserted to be the sixth-generation descendant of Qu Jia - which makes some sense, but which means that there was a three-generation gap between Qu Mao and Qu Boya. Then:
 * Qu Wentai, son of Qu Boya
 * Qu Zhisheng, son of Qu Wentai, who surrendered to Tang, ending Gaochang (which was turned into Xi Prefecture) - although his brother Qu Zhizhan was later the prefect of Xi Prefecture, and Qu Zhizhan's son Qu Chengyu was given the title of Prince of Jiaohe, but it was said that after Qu Chengyu the Qu clan did not receive any further titles
 * New Book of Tang, volume 221, part 1 gave the same account as the Old Book of Tang. --Nlu (talk) 17:00, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

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