Talk:Famine in northern Ethiopia (2020–present)

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 * Ox slaughtered by Eritrean troops during the war in Tigray in 2021 ©Mulugeta Gebrehiwot (published with permission from the author).jpg

Sections to be restored after peer review
Since one editor is concerned that an academic source has not yet passed peer review, for the Disappearing of food aid and Dismantling of local NGOs - On 8 February 2021, the boards of the Tigrai Development Association (TDA) and the Relief Society of Tigray (REST), two local NGOs trusted by Tigrayans, were dissolved by federal authorities. (draftified 7 Dec 2021: Draft:Tigrai Development Association) We are most likely to achieve consensus for restoring the edit if we wait until then, given the current set of interested editors and arguments presented. Boud (talk) 17:56, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Self-published sources
Per WP:CHALLENGE in re your reinstatement of content I removed: "The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material". Both citations are self-published sources.


 * 1) The first citation was on ResearchGate, which is considered a generally unreliable source at RSP: "ResearchGate is a social network that hosts a repository of user-generated publications, including preprints. ResearchGate does not perform fact checking or peer reviewing, and is considered a self-published source. Verify whether a paper on ResearchGate is also published in a peer-reviewed academic journal; in these cases, cite the more reliable journal and provide an open access link to the paper (which may be hosted on ResearchGate)."
 * 2) The second citation was from a website published by David Alton, a member of UK's House of Lords. The way it is expressed on that webpage, Alton likely received that report directly from Jan Nyssen and just posted it on his website. There is no attempt at verifying the information, but it is more of a "help spread the word" post. There is an identical post on mnetnegash.wordpress.com (yet another anonymous blog being used as a 'source' in 6 WP articles, until I delete those, too). It is Nyssen's modus operandi to spread what he writes to every corner. But just because Alton put Nyssen's post on his website, verbatim, doesn't make it a reliable source.

Boud, you can't seriously think that either of these would pass any reliable source standard for Wikipedia. I am re-removing the content. You can take it to RSN if you think davidalton.net is not self-published, is generally reliable, and that this particular post of yours meets verification to a reliable source.

Platonk (talk) 21:26, 8 December 2021 (UTC)


 * The above are comments by a WP:SOCKPUPPET. In the context of what is very likely a genocide, provided that sources are clearly stated, WP:LAWYERING by a sockpuppet is not a serious argument against providing the best-sourced information that we have. There is no source to justify the hypothesis that David Alton posted the information without first making his own judgment as to whether the Nyssen report was reliable or not. I have . The sentence in the article is clearly attributed; the reader can judge the validity of the estimate based on his/her judgment of the research quality of the researcher. A rate of about 400 to 1200 dying per day implies about 300,000 to 800,000 deaths over two years. These numbers are likely to be further studied over the coming years and decades, so adding further sources will help put Nyssen's estimate into context. Boud (talk) 18:06, 16 September 2023 (UTC)