Talk:Fan Llia

Meaning of Dringarth
Does Dringarth really mean "climbing ridge"? According to the online Welsh dictionary - http://www.cs.cf.ac.uk/fun/welsh/LexiconForms_main.html - "climb" is dringad, not dringarth, and "climbing" is dringo. One of the farms in Cwm Dringarth is called "Blaen-tringarth", and locals have told me the river is the Tringarth, suggesting that "dringarth" is just a mutation of "tringarth". Mutations like that being very common in Welsh, depending on the word before it, and it seems that "Fan", "Cwm", "Rhos" and "Afon" all trigger the mutation, but "Blaen" does not.

If the real name is Tringarth, it would be a compound word formed from "trin" and "garth". Trin meaning various things such as "manage, manipulate; dress; till, cultivate; transact, discuss" (cultivated or managed seem appropriate), and garth meaning "hill; enclosure". So it seems more likely to be a cultivated enclosure, or a managed hill. Could a Welsh speaker please clarify.

TarquinWJ (talk) 19:10, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


 * TarquinWJ is correct: the form is 'Tringarth': see 'The Place Names of Defynnog Hundred'. I've changed the main text to remove incorrect explanation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Troellwr (talk • contribs) 16:05, 5 February 2015 (UTC)