Talk:Fantastic (magazine)/Archive 1

Fantastic Adventures
Fantastic Adventures may need its own article, as it was definitely in existence as a separate entity prior to Fantastic's founding in 1952, and the merger in 1954 (the cover pictured is from September, 1947). Was it truly a "sister" publication? Sundevilesq 18:24, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

There was a brief (1952-1954) overlap while both magazines were published independently, then they were merged. During that time, they were edited by the same staff, and featured many of the same writers (albeit many also used pseudonyms for the copy they provided the "pulpier" FANTASTIC ADVENTURES). 144.198.30.2 (talk) 02:16, 6 October 2011 (UTC)Todd Mason

To do
Remaining tasks for FAC. -- Mike Christie (talk – library) 12:37, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Go back through and integrate all material into make coherent flow
 * Write lead
 * MOS checks--consistent reference format,image placement, etc.
 * Cover images where free use -- note copyright expired on all covers except: Jun - Dec 54, all of 55, Feb 56, all of 68, and all of 72-78.
 * Build a collage showing changes in cover styles
 * Read for rhythm and prose quality

Pirate Writings and F&SF
There are two recent changes that are unsourced; I'd like to revert them but will post here first in case someone can source them. One is that a magazine called Pirate Writings revived the magazine name and logo in 1999; the other is the addition of F&SF as a market for fantasy during the Goldsmith era. The latter is contradicted by the Clute/Grant Encyclopedia of Fantasy, which cites Science Fantasy as the only magazine publishing fantasy in any significant quantity during this period. The former is just unsourced. I'll leave this note for a while and then delete the added material if no one can source it. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 01:59, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

--I think this is a misconstruction of the text of the Clute, or if not, is clumsy writing on Clute's (or Ashley's or other contributor's to the EOF's) part. As the title of F&SF suggests, it has always published a considerable amount of fantasy, and most of Goldsmith/Lalli's term at Ziff-Davis was contemporary with fantasy writer Avram Davidson's tenure as editor of F&SF, during which he published at least as much fantasy and horror fiction, in percentages, as any of the editors before or since (ranging from cofounding editor and fantasy writer "Anthony Boucher" through current editor and publisher Gordon Van Gelder). Even the Robert Heinlein novel Davidson saw serialized was his fantasy novel GLORY ROAD.

The transition issue in re: PIRATE WRITINGS becoming a revival of the FANTASTIC title and logotype can be seen here: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?59973 and in greater detail here: http://www.philsp.com/mags/pirate_writings.html

144.198.30.2 (talk) 02:14, 6 October 2011 (UTC)Todd Mason, who has contributed to and started various articles, but admits to never having created an account...


 * Mike Ashley emailed me with some clarifications; first, we're going to be able to source the comment about Pirate Writings to the new Encyclopedia of SF, which is going to debut shortly here. Mike said Pirate Writings's references to Fantastic were more of a homage to Fantastic than any sort of a revival, so I'll tweak that slightly.


 * With regard to the note about F&SF, Mike explained his intent was that Science Fantasy and Fantasy were the only magazines focusing primarily on fantasy -- F&SF also published sf, of course. I think we could either change it to reflect that, or remove the reference to F&SF and change the sentence to be more accurate.  How about: "Ashley also describes Fantastic as the "premier fantasy magazine" during Goldsmith's tenure&mdash;at that time the only other magazine focused specifically on fantasy fiction was the British Science Fantasy"?  Or if we want to retain the reference to F&SF, how about "Ashley also describes Fantastic as the "premier fantasy magazine" during Goldsmith's tenure: other magazines that printed fantasy at the time included The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction and the British Science Fantasy" and add a reference to the Stableford/Nicholls article on F&SF in the Clute/Nicholls Encyclopedia of SF? Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 11:43, 7 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I've now added the citation for Pirate Writings and modified the other sentence to the first version: "Ashley also describes Fantastic as the "premier fantasy magazine" during Goldsmith's tenure&mdash;at that time the only other magazine focused specifically on fantasy fiction was the British Science Fantasy." Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 15:39, 15 October 2011 (UTC)