Talk:Fantastic Easter Special/Archive 1

Latin Trivia
The latin quote in this article is definately wrong.

~A bored student of Latin too bored to do a full correct translation

Yeah I agree, it is wrong. I've been trying to decipher what's said. I can't quite get it though. It might just be a bunch of jabberwocky. This is what it sounds like to me, but I know some of these words don't exist. - Christopher 07:59, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Sanctum Peter cottium, deus in reunium, hippitus, hoppitus, reus domine
 * In suus viatorium, lepus in resanctum, hippitus, hoppitus, deus domine

Based off of the Da Vinci Code?

--Wassamatta 02:04, 5 April 2007 (UTC)Wassamatta


 * Quite obviously wrong, and I removed it until we can nail it down. Does someone have access to the close captioned text?  Based on my somewhat limited knowledge of Latin and Chris's transcription above, I'd say it's something like this:  (Bear in mind several words are faux Latin)


 * Holy Peter Cottontail, God and king in one, hippity, hoppity, ruler over all
 * You are (travelling) with us, resurrected rabbit, hippity, hoppity, our Lord God
 * I am sure this is not 100% correct. Perhaps our bored Latin student could take 10 seconds to review this?  Hoof Hearted 13:15, 5 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Since this is Dog Latin, we need a native Dog Latin speaker for understanding this. What could a Classical Latin speaker make of this? "Peter" would become Petrus in Latin, but assuming the name is left unchanged here, if Sanctum refers to Peter, the combination Sanctum Peter is in the accusative case, making it (probably) the object of some verb – but the lines are rather lacking in words that might be verb forms. Cottius is the name of a king but does not mean "king". The two occurrences of in appear to require the accusative and therefore imply a motion, meaning "into" or "towards" Reunium is unknown; "reunion" would be reunio, reunionis. Reus means something like "defendant", "party", "culprit". Domine is in the vocative case: O lord. Suus is "his" or "her", and can only belong together with lepus, in which case the comma preceding that word is misplaced. Viatorium is something like a travellers' guide, or a signpost at a road crossing; it does not seem to be in a grammatical relationship to the rest but appears randomly lodged here. Lepus means "hare". Resanctum: not a word in Latin, perhaps Resident-Evil-Sanctum? --Lambiam Talk  08:15, 14 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the response, Lambiam. For my translation, I thought reunium and reus may be a form of rex, thus my king and ruler meanings.  Would that make sense?  In case you didn't see the episode, the chant was used in a religious ceremony, so if there is a different theological form of Latin, that would apply.  I'd also like to point out that this blog was referenced on the language help page and probably has a better transcription of the Latin lyrics.  Irregardless, would you be able to give us a translation that is "good enough" to include in the article?  Hoof Hearted 14:03, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

According to the script for FES, this is what it sounds like, different from the one you posted:

Sanctum Piter oteum, Deus ore uneum. Hippitus hoppitus reus homine. In suspiratoreum, lepus in re sanctum. Hippitus hoppitus Deus Domine.

Can you figure out what those words mean differently? --Angeldeb82 00:15, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Masons
It seemed like the scenes at the lodge also made references to the Freemasons. What do you think? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.120.13.232 (talk) 02:13, 5 April 2007 (UTC).

Mos def "Da Vinci Code" parody. The premise of the Hare Club and the scene with the professor parody specific scenes in the book and movie. The plot, however, more closely follows "Angels and Demons", Brown's other book about the Vatican and St. Peter, not to mention a big ending scene in that exact square.

The scene in the Lodge seems similar to the Lodge scene at the end of the movie: "Peggy Sue Got Married" from 1986:

"Do you have to wear that hat" in the movie is like Stan in his bedroom "do you have to wear those ears" ...

They drive to the lodge in both show and movie ...

In the movie, after each "sacrifice" they ring a bell just like they did in the show (the bell sounds the same in both).

"One man places a golden cape around Peggy Sue's shoulders" - the fur over Stan's shoulders ...

I think someone in the show had a long purple robe, but it might have been at the Vatican and not the lodge...

the gregorian chant = the Latin chant ...

Charlie (her husband) crashing in = the Ninjas ... 03:13, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Trivia
I've removed the trivia line that stated Ernest Borgnine was the voice of the pope. It clearly sounds like Trey Parker voicing him with a (bad) Italian accent. Will put it back if it turns out I'm wrong. 65.12.135.63 04:23, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

I've added 2 more trivia bits - Will donahue calls kyle, stan, and randy "whores," just like calling Trey and Matt "whores" after the "cartoon wars" episode - also, the scene with Jesus killing Pope Donahue is a dead-on reference to the violence in "300."Applesanity 08:11, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Was it really a deliberate reference to "300"? Looked more like a general spoof of CGI splatter to me. ScottSwan 18:54, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * It was deliberate. The slow motion, the body severing, the blood spray - even the color of the blood spray.  The narrow depth of focus, the obvious, but highly stylized CGI splatter.  This reference is not at all a stretch. Trey and Matt also have a habit of putting the most recent things in culture directly into their shows, and 300 is in theatres.  Perhaps you need to go watch the movie before speculating.Applesanity 03:44, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

There used to be a note in the article stating that Kenny did not appear at all in the episode. It has since been removed. If this is not notable enough to be mentioned in the article, could someone please explain why? Thank you. RedSkull619 03:29, 6 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Because that happens often. A character not appearing is not really a notable piece of information. -- Ubergenius 14:42, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

There's a Battlestar Galactica spoiler in the 'Cultural References' section (which consists primarily of trivia); bad form, surely? 212.139.220.148

This article currently states that "Easter Parade" is by Clifton Webb. The song was written by Irving Berlin and should be credited to him, not the singer who performed it for the first time on Broadway. I'm making the change now. Steven J. Anderson 23:07, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Glaive
It previously stated that Jesus used a glaive. This is the incorrect weapon term, for the weapon used in the episode. I changed it to shuriken, since it was a modified shuriken that was used.


 * It's clearly a spoof of the goofy Aliens vs. Predator (movie) shuriken, which expands and retracts in a very silly manner. --Haizum   μολὼν λαβέ 07:22, 5 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, the glaive looks almost exactly like the one used in the movie, Krull. Check it out. --Timodi 12:00, 5 April 2007 (UTC)


 * DEFINITELY a glaive as in Krull film. How old are you whipper snappers! :-) 65.12.135.63 02:34, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Tiara to Mitre
I changed "papal tiara" to Pope's "mitre". If you follow both the links and look at the pictures, you'll see that it's the mitre that Benedict is shown wearing. Actually, no Pope has worn the tiara publicly since 1963. Steven J. Anderson 07:36, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Personally, I think mitre should be piped under a link to "hat" because it's never referred to as a mitre in the episode. But I don't know if you feel we should still use the correct term anyway.  Hoof Hearted 18:26, 5 April 2007 (UTC)


 * That makes sense to me, Hoof; it's never called a tiara or a mitre in the episode. It's just called a hat, although it's clearly a mitre. However, the article mentioned the word "tiara" twice and I changed them both to "mitre". You only changed one of them to "hat", so I'll change the other one now. Steven J. Anderson 23:19, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

He is Risen
The song when Jesus appears is not He is Risen by Keith Green. The Lyrics are different, and it sounds different. The cooresponding Keith Green song is called the Easter Song, which sounds nothing like that. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.15.96.124 (talk) 18:19, 5 April 2007 (UTC).

Speculation
Some of the trivia is starting to verge on speculation. There are some undeniable movie and pop culture refereces, like Da Vinci Code or 300, but the Battlestar Galactica reference and Last Samurai ones are really, stretching it. Ninjas seem to attack the same way every movie I've seen them in and one character asking another to kill him so the former can go somewhere else is not so uncommon. There are video games where I puposely let my character die so he can reappear in a different section of the game map, eg.


 * I just read another thing about the rabbit's name being Snowball. That's just even more speculation.  The rabbit's name being snowball could mean any number of things, including the fact that the bunny resembles a ball of snow.  There is no real definitive proof linking snowball the bunny to any George Orwell character that was cast out, whereas snowball the bunny was never "in" so to speak and thus couldn't even be cast out.  Too much stretching here.Applesanity 01:01, 7 April 2007 (UTC)


 * The comment about easter and commercialism is original research. More speculation. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Applesanity (talk • contribs) 01:03, 7 April 2007 (UTC).


 * Calling the pope, "benedictus" means little more than making the name sound latin. "benedictus" is in no way or shape remotely resembling "Darth Sidious," a star wars character.Applesanity 01:06, 7 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Someone tried to insert the straw-grasping trivia about the Last Samurai again. Ninjas in all movies are bad guys led by bad leaders, and they always burst into buildings.  The connection to The Last Samurai is weak, especially when compared to this episode's connections to real parodies on Da Vinci Code.Applesanity 01:19, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

The reference to Father Guido Sarducci is a stretch. It just sounded like a (bad) italian accent, which makes sense given that there are quite a lot of Italians running around in the Vatican.

Missing Info
I think you forgot to add in a few tidbits. Cartman makes a brief appearance at the beginning of the episode when he demands from the Easter Bunny what he wants for Easter. And after Jesus tells Bill Donohue and Benedict the reason for rabbits to be popes, Donohue orders Benedict to kill Jesus, but the Pope refuses, resulting in Donohue stealing the mitre from him. And Donohue calls Stan and Kyle whores, just like he called Matt and Trey in real life when protesting about Cartoon Wars Part II. Just wanted to fill you in. --Angeldeb82 04:05, 6 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, almost forgot: You have to add the info that states that when Jesus asks Kyle to kill him, Kyle is reluctant and asks him to kill himself, but Jesus refuses, as he knows that suicide is blasphemy and goes against his nature; for his resurrection superpowers only work when he is killed by someone else. Just wanted to clarify that. --Angeldeb82 13:47, 6 April 2007 (UTC)


 * That info about the whore name calling was already in the trivia section. Please look for the info before declaring it missing.Applesanity 00:59, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Continuity in South Park
In this section, the prase "Jesus states he only has special powers when dead, although in "Super Best Friends" he had the powers flight and master carpentry" is false, because he didn't have the power of flight. Remember how they had to fly on a plane in the episode? I changed it to reflect that.
 * Even though Jesus takes stan in a plane, Jesus can indeed fly. When the super best friends gather to defeat David Blaine, they fly down to meet him DC.Applesanity 07:36, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't forget that Jesus has the power of healing, when he arrives in Iraq to heal Santa's legs in "Red Sleigh Down". --Angeldeb82 17:56, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, he has the power to turn water into wine, and produce mountains of fish (as long as you're willing to turn around for a second).Captain Infinity 18:05, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Cultural References Section Compromised
Many of the trivia bits, I feel, are cases of straw-grasping. One contributer even likened this episode to that book, Animal Farm.

The 300 movie reference, however, is a very real, very definite reference. First, 300 is in theaters right now. Second, every detail is precisely like that movie, for anyone who's seen it. The extreme violence, the slow-motion at the point of violence, even the style of the CGI blood spray.The burgundy blood spray color is even the same. Blood spray may be a common motif, the the heavily stylized, very slow motion (designed to leap out of the screen towards the audience), very fake, blood in 300 is unique. The Da Vinci Code reference is real. The 300 reference is real. Please do not, on grounds of speculation, delete proven references. Applesanity 07:51, 8 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Didn't you even notice that Jesus' glowing resurrection looks and sounds similar to the level-up when a character kills enough monsters in World of Warcraft? Just wanted to put it up for you is all. --Angeldeb82 18:29, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Trivia
Eric Cartman was in the Easter Special. He sat on the Bunny's lap at the mall and asked for presents like it was Christmas. This should be changed in the Trivia section at the bottom of the page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jdepalma (talk • contribs) 05:03, 9 April 2007 (UTC).

Jesus' halo on death
There is a little blooper about what happens to Jesus' halo on his death: When Jesus died in "Red Sleigh Down", his halo vanishes from sight; yet in "Fantastic Easter Special", when he falls down dying seconds after Kyle stabbed him in the throat, the halo clearly falls off his head and rolls away, moments before it comes back on at his resurrection outside of prison. You should put that in the "Continuity in South Park" section, okay? --Angeldeb82 00:31, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, we'll get right on that. Captain Infinity 00:39, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Cartman
The sentence that claims Eric Cartman is not featured in this episode is confusing. He is definitely shown telling the Easter Bunny what he wants for Easter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.110.29.154 (talk) 23:02, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

When Randy and the other rabbits are captured, the scene where Randy asks another rabbit how he is, is a direct correlation of part of the opening scene in 3 Skulls Of The Toltecs
"When Randy and the other rabbits are captured, the scene where Randy asks another rabbit how he is, is a direct correlation of part of the opening scene in 3 Skulls Of The Toltecs " I never played that skulls of the totecs game or heard of it, but that scene reminded me of several other games I played. I can't remember. I am thinking Deus Ex maybe. The whole dungeon and dripping, then the where are we, and the answer "I don't know we must have travelled for hours", and the adding of "I can't feel my legs". Maybe that's a mix of some things. It could have been in several games. It would be very good to find out, though I don't have the games anymore. SakotGrimshine 11:39, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Donohue's portrayal in the episode
I seem to recall in an interview with Matt and Trey somewhere that, during their standoff with Comedy Central when trying to air the second half of "Cartoon Wars" uncensored, they claimed that the network only censors when it fears violence will result, stating that their depictions of Jesus would have been censored as well if the Catholic League was going to threaten anyone with violence. The depiction of Donohue and the Catholic League in this episode seems to satairize how they did not threaten with violence in reality. Someone should consider adding this when the reference can be found. 198.82.59.238 19:15, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I found it. It's down near the bottom of the page. 198.82.59.238 19:26, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Continuing on with Donahue, near the end of the page, there is this sentence about him that does not seem to make sense to me: "After the two-part "Cartoon Wars" episode, Donohue commented that Stone and Parker were "little whores" for being against the censorship of Muhammad but still being willing to make money by mocking Jesus." So they are whores for being against censorship, but still want to make money out of Jesus? In what way are they contradicting themselves if they, Parker and Stone, are against censoring both Muhammed and Jesus, hence making money out of mocking both Jesus and Muhammad. Perhaps I am reading the phrase wrong?

IGN Review on FES
Over a week ago, IGN wrote a review on "Fantastic Easter Special" and gave it a perfect 10. Here's IGN's review on the episode. --Angeldeb82 00:10, 14 April 2007 (UTC)