Talk:Fantasy cartography

Definition and "In popular culture"
By my reading, one of four examples actually meets the definition given by the article. Either the definition's wrong, or the examples are. 137.195.54.217 (talk) 16:09, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

I agree. the section should be changed.142.22.115.48 (talk) 19:24, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Palestine archipelago
The “Palestine archipelago” map no longer shows up at Strange Maps; here is a good instance of it. —Tamfang (talk) 00:52, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

Attribution
Text and references copied from Fantasy map to List of fictional counties, See former article's history for a list of contributors. 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 15:09, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Article Move (Title Change)
I changed the article title from Fantasy map to Fantasy cartography to better reflect the recent broadening of the article's scope. --Twomatters (talk) 07:30, 5 May 2022 (UTC)


 * "Cartography" makes it sound like an academic field concerned with map projections, which is not really the case. AnonMoos (talk) 11:15, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi AnonMoos, Thanks for the thoughts.

The Oxford dictionary defines ‘cartography’ as “the science or practice of drawing maps.” This to me sounds like cartography encompasses (pardon the pun) both academic and non-academic facets.

Also if you check out the general cartography article, that also includes plenty of non-academic elements.

Based on the definition and the general cartography wiki page, the inclusion of the word “cartography” in the title seems to me to fit the scope of the article as it currently is.

I would also argue that the topic of fantasy maps and map-making has become substantially more academic in the last 20 years. There are several academic journals of geography, cartography and cartographic information that have published articles on the topic. I have recently cited several of them in the article.

These are some of my reasons I’m still satisfied with the updated title. I’m definitely open to being convinced it’s not right, I’m just not there yet!

Happy to keep talking about this. Twomatters (talk) 13:38, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

Also AnonMoos, In the cartography lead section, it explains that only 1 of the 5 fundamental objectives of traditional cartography is concerned with map projections. Twomatters (talk) 13:42, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

Short Description
Here's a section for suggestions about the short description. Short description helper --Twomatters (talk) 00:50, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Another article move (Title Change) Proposal
I've been thinking... perhaps are more suitable article title is 'Speculative cartography' rather than 'Fantasy cartography' to match the expanded scope. My reason for this is that within the section 'Types', 'Genre' I've written about 'Fantasy' and 'Science fiction' as different genre-types of maps. But they both belong to the broader genre of speculative fiction. As it stands I feel like its like an article on ice-cream but its titled 'Gelato'. Thoughts? --Twomatters (talk) 23:58, 27 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Generally, I think the "Genre" section needs sources that discuss classification of fantasy maps (or how the genre affects the maps), rather than just classification of fantasy; otherwise, it may veer off-topic. I'm not seeing much discussion of science fiction maps in the article at present (other than a sentence about alternate history, which I guess is SF?), so I'd lean to sticking with the current title. Olivaw-Daneel (talk) 10:15, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Good feedback Olivaw-Daneel. Yes, my hope is to tailor the genre section to be more about how the maps themselves manifest from these genres and subgenres - alas, not enough time. I will get to it one day! And then perhaps, once there is more representation from the Science Fiction genre in the article we can revisit this proposal. Thanks again --Twomatters (talk) 04:45, 1 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Fictional cartography might be a better fit then speculative. Speculative implies that we are trying to speculate about the spatial nature of something, as they did when they made old maps. Fictional implies that the creator absolutely knows they are making stuff up and isn't hiding it.GeogSage (talk) 01:17, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Proposing a reorganization of sections
Looking at this page, I think it is possible to reorganize the sections to make things simpler.

I think that the "Type" section can be done away with and replaced with sections for "Genre," "Scope," and "Purpose." This would simplify the headings a bit. Under Genre, I think that the subgenre section can be done away with, and each set of subgenres moved under the respective genre. As there are only two, this would be simple.

Implementing these two suggestions would mean that there would be no third-order subheadings and would merge content from one subheading into two others.

For how genres look in the view, perhaps we could do something like the gallery of subbranches in the Geography page. GeogSage (talk) 01:26, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Zendia Respubliko
Worth mentioning that the Zendia maps are in Esperanto? —Tamfang (talk) 05:02, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

genres
Are there any cyberpunk maps? —Tamfang (talk) 18:36, 8 May 2024 (UTC)