Talk:Fast food/Archive 2

Nutritional value section
I rewrote this section to try to reduce its severe POV (anti-fast-food) problem. The changes included:


 * Specifying that certain items on fast food menus may be unhealthful, rather than saying that fast food in general is unhealthful. Most U.S. fast food chains offer salads and grilled chicken items, for example.
 * Deleting this inaccurate sentence: "Fast food is commonly deep fried, and thereby contains more fat and calories." Fast food is not commonly deep fried - hamburgers aren't deep-fried, and they're the major food item sold at McDonald's, BK, etc. - and deep-fried foods do NOT contain more fat and calories than foods cooked via other methods if the oil is kept at the proper temperature and food is removed promptly from the fryer when finished.
 * Deleting this unsourced sentence: Additionally, fast food may contain unwanted chemical additives hidden and lack proper labelling.
 * Deleting this unsourced sentence: Fast food portions are usually larger than the amount one should consume in a serving.
 * Changed phrase about Spurlock's "lack of exercise" to "his refusal to exercise." The lack of exercise had nothing to do with his fast food diet, and many critics have charged him with skewing his results by refusing to exercise at all during filming.
 * Added mention of competing dieters and filmmakers who have had different results on all-fast-food diets.

I also rewrote the first sentence of the next section (also terribly POV) to specify who is calling for changes, and deleted another unsourced sentence ( In particular, restaurants want to add some healthy choices because of the veto effect, in which one person in a group interested in healthy eating causes the group not to go to the restaurant.). | MrDarcy talk 21:49, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Mergefrom
I've proposed a Fast-food restaurant and have started a discussion on that article's talk page as well. | MrDarcy talk 16:33, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
 * This merge is now completed. | MrDarcy talk 16:22, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

History of the "Drive-thru"
Why is Wendy's stated as being pioneering of its "drive-thru" window if it did not start until 1972? In-N-Out Burger in Southwestern United States opened its first drive-thru in 1948 "California's first drive-thru hamburger stand" although it was only a small room with just a kitchen and windows at both ends, allowing for a lane on each side. I understand that Wendy's was a restraunt with a drive-thru window. So which should get credit for pioneering the drive-thu Wendy's or In-N-Out?. I see In-N-Out as pioneering the idea of driving up to a window to pick up your fast food.

I also can not find anywhere on Wikipedia what the very first drive-thu fast food was in the country/world. Can somebody tract down this fact? -- AlexTheMartian | Talk 09:58, 18 January 2006 (UTC)


 * The source for that sentence is provided in a link at its end. Here it is again: And the relevant sentence: Wendy's, begun in Columbus, Ohio, in 1972 by Dave Thomas (1932–2002), pioneered the use of drive-through windows. | MrDarcy talk 14:54, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Plagiarism
The section entitled "Consumer Appeal" has sections that are plagerized directly from the website that it quotes. Since I am unsure about how this could be best changed, I left it alone, and I don't know any plagiarism tags, so I'm not going to mess with that, either.


 * Hi, thanks for your note. The source is a document on a government Web site and is in the public domain, meaning that it's not protected by copyright. In addition, there's just one sentence that is copied verbatim from the source, which doesn't qualify as plagiarism. | Mr. Darcy talk 20:56, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Needs Major Work / Removal of Bias
All granular discussions of McDonald's need to be removed; they are but ONE of MANY fast food businesses. This article reads as an indictment to McDonalds and not a neutral article on fast food as it should.

While almost all nutritionists will tell you that certain types of fast food are incredibly bad nutritionally, I removed the Morgan Spurlock paragraphs from the 'Nutritional Information' secton. Those paragraphs had degenerated into a debate about whether or not Spurlock's movie was credible, and cited references to those that disagreed with him. I believe a far more neutral approach would be to provide side-by-side nutrition data from several fast food businesses to equivalent home cooked / "sit-down" restaurant meals. Let the reader have the facts. Somebody please provide some credible and real nutrition info, not just references to Spurlock's wildly unscientific movie. Including his movie as any statement of 'fact' undermines the credibility of this whole article and incites a Spurlock vs. McDonald's debate.

Fast food images
The second image on the page has a description of: "Typical forms of fast food - potato scallops and chicken pieces"

Is this really typical fast food? I know most fast food joints in North America and the UK don't give potatoe scallops out too often. Sure some fast food places do, but not majority and it's certainly (in my opinion) not typical forms of fast food. I see fast food as fries and a hamburger with a drink, or fish & chips or a slice of pizza and usually in some sort of fancy bag with the joints logo on it. Any one else agree? What's your thougts? Decimal10 01:31, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Possible Definition
My definition would be any restaurant that meets the following: Will 04:44, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Needs only 2 minutes to deliver to the customer for 90% of the orders as measured from the time in which the order is completed to when the order is 100% ready to eat.
 * Combos include a side (which can vary, but must include some sort of fry as an option) and a drink.
 * 90% of the combos (as defined in the previous entry) are under US$5.00 with none above $6.00. This price is a measured before add-ons like larger fry/drink sizes or taxes.
 * Has a drive-thru. (A subcategory adds a dining room.  However, that is not required.)


 * Shouldn't that be part of a fast food franchise rather than fast food? The whole article is pretty sh*tty as there's quite a lot of confusion between fast food and fast food franchise. Problem IMO seems to lie with the 'American perspective' (not purely geographical definition) whereby fast food is often represented by a franchise rather than individual businesses (McDonald's vs. local chippy/kebab shop/bakery). PS: it's always very dangerous to impose empirical definitions. - Htra0497 26 August 2006 (AET)

I think the definition of fast food is any food which you buy in the order of: ordering, paying, getting served, eating. Unlike other restaurants: ordering, getting served, eating, paying. So any food-selling place that is not a franchise but satisfies the order should be considered fast food too, including those mentioned by Htra0497 (local chippy/kebab shop/bakery) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.156.9.242 (talk) 03:51, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Does this Center exist? Did it?
In the paragraph titled "Changes," I read

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I couldn't locate this place when I called around. Does it exist? What's the phone number?


 * The only hit on Google is for the Wikipedia article. There are a couple of Google hits for the International Center for Nutritional Health, but that is in Pennsylvania. I'm removing it from the article. -- Donald Albury 01:15, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

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