Talk:Fatboy Slim/Archives/2011

Instruments
Shouldn't this say 'bass' as well as 'turntables'? Even if he doesn't play it any more.

Hey, how is it really possible to have a bio for Norman Cook without a major chunk going towards discussing the Housemartins? Isn't the whole genre evolution thing that he's done from Housemartins onward critical to a full description of him and his career? Strikes me as really odd that it isn't in there, and unfortunately I don't have enough accurate info to do this...perhaps someone else does?

I really think all this bio stuff should be moved into a separate page called Norman Cook, that way we could talk about his discography and notable releases without having to say "pre-Fatboy Slim" or something for stuff like Pizzaman, Mighty Dub Katz etc. He's had so many non-Fatboy Slim releases it just seems unwieldy like this.

Requested move, June 2006

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no consensus. &mdash; Nightst a  llion  (?) 09:14, 9 June 2006 (UTC) Fatboy Slim → Norman Cook – The 'easy move' process is not working for me because, I think, of the discussion on Talk:Norman Cook

There is a pair of merge templates in place, but actually as the dest page is a redirect back here then it is really a move and not a merge. Mea culpa. Frelke 05:58, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Fatboy Slim seems like the proper location per 'most common names' guidelines. Seattlenow 00:39, 5 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Perhaps you only know him under that moniker, but a quick ggogle produces 5.2M for FBS and 18.9M for NC. Can you provide a link to the guidelines please? Frelke 05:35, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
 * And I can't imagine that there's anyone else named Norman Cook except this one person. Google Hits in this case are useless - oppose. AjaxSmack 19:46, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * More like more than 5 million for Fatboy Slim and less than 350,000 for anyone named Norman Cook. FWIW, Naming conventions. 24.18.215.132 23:06, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Oppose move. He is by far best known as Fatboy Slim in the USA. His real name is trivia. Royalbroil 19:04, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't understand why what he is best known as in the USA is relevant. Where is that anyway? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.146.84.112 (talk) 11:25, 6 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't say his real name is just trivia, as he does do remixes for other artists under that name. However, his own records tend to come out as Fatboy Slim, so that should probably be where the article is. — sjorford++ 09:55, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
 * You're right, since he has used his real name professionally. Sorry. Royalbroil 03:46, 7 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Oppose There is a precedent set of using a musician's stage name over their real name (for example, Boy George or Madonna). EVula 15:18, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Suppport: real name with redirect makes more sense. Makingitbetter 16:47, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Support: as he has done stuff under that name as well--Bob 20:47, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment Yes, he has, but the majority of his work is as Fatboy Slim. EVula 21:11, 8 June 2006 (UTC)


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"skillstitled"
This isn't a word... but I can't figure out what the original author was trying to say. Anyone have a clue? Omphaloscope » talk 01:10, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Hm, it appears that between the words skills and titled there had been nine years of history before a vandal removed it! I've restored the paragraphs. Omphaloscope &raquo; talk 01:24, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Birth date
I have seen numerous references to his birth date being 31 July, 1963, not 16 July. Can anyone throw more light on this discrepancy ? Derek R Bullamore 18:39, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

I can throw another date into it. IMDB lists his birthday as July 13th. So, which one is correct? Hotwine8 03:21, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

http://www.fatboyslim.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1468&sid=3758a17d55fafe68e951d925f7d46f0b it's 31st july according to that. i dont know how solid a proof that is. i could always ask him, i have a mate with his number. --Ace Face 00:10, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

http://www.fatboy-slim.org/ lists July 13 - maybe it's time to give him a call —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rue7man (talk • contribs) 05:32, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

BBB3
I think we need a page on big beach boutique 3. just happened. just got home from it lol Ace Face

EDIT: whoever wrote the BB3 article is a retard. Learn to spell and not sound like a 3 year old!

The thing above? Or is there an article now? Sign your name to...--Ace Face 00:04, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Less PR spin please!
This article reads like a fanzine or PR blurb from Skint! This needs extensive re-editing..

203.57.241.67 04:23, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Illuminati / Camber Sands / The Pimp
Should Illuminati / Camber Sands / The Pimp be considered singles or EPs? I personally say singles, because the only original track on each was the title track (the rest being remixes of older songs). However, I also believe that it should be noted that these are in a special trilogy. Does anyone else have any thoughts? -KingpinE7 03:30, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I think they are EPs. Holiday56 03:18, 17 May 2007 (UTC)


 * It would be appreciated if you would give an explanation. -KingpinE7 05:16, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Signature Series - Volume 1
Apparently Norman did a compilation of his remix tracks entitled "Signature Series, Vol 1: Greatest Remixes" and is available on Amazon (albiet under their "Used and New" program). Why isn't this listed here? 80.176.249.204 22:44, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Move
I think it's high time we considered moving this article again. Fatboy Slim wasn't in the Housemartins, Beats International, Pizzaman or Freakpower - Norman Cook was. And while I can't speak for the ignorance of American record buyers, in the UK he is well known as Norman Cook. Fatboy Slim is to Norman Cook as, say, Ali G is to Sacha Baron Cohen. - 88.109.209.253 (talk) 10:21, 11 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree with that. As he says in a video on his MySpace page, he has not stopped using the name "Fatboy Slim", but still the BPA MySpace page refers to him as Norman Cook (see "the BPA - the full story" entry on their blog). It proves that Fatboy Slim is an alias he uses only for a part of his career; so either this article should only refer to this part of his career (and not talk about for example Freak Power) or stay as it is now but be named "Norman Cook". Master Sel (talk) 23:53, 25 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree as well. Fatboy Slim was just one of his projects, in the same way that Ziggy Stardust was one of David Bowie's projects. He's well-known in the industry and the media as Norman Cook. This article needs to be moved to Norman Cook. (And this has nothing to do with legal names. I'm not saying that David Bowie should be moved to David Jones, but it should be David Bowie and not Ziggy Stardust.) 173.35.202.139 (talk) 14:54, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

I think this is also a WP:ENGVAR issue. In the US, he's known as Fatboy Slim, because that was his only successful pseudonym there. In the UK, he's usually called Norman Cook, because he's had success there with multiple bands/pseudonyms. As Norman Cook/Fatboy Slim has strong national ties to the UK, this article should be placed at what he's usually called in the UK, which is Norman Cook. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.226.236.12 (talk) 17:40, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Tone
The tone needs to be cleaned up from that of a fansite. Phrases like "emerged to the big time" and "heavy hitters" are not appropriate for an encylopedia. TheRedPenOfDoom (talk) 04:40, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

-- I agree. This article isn't in style for Wikipedia. It's more like an NME article. If the authors disagree they should create a fan site. More examples: "Summer 2007 saw Fatboy take a well earned break", "the concert was deemed a stunning success by Sussex Police" (really?), "In June 2005 he filled the Friday night headline slot"... The article also entirely fails to cite sources. It could all be made up for all we know. Also, the article should refer to either "Cook" or "Norman Cook" and not "Fatboy Slim" or even, in places, "Fatboy"-- unless he's had his name changed legally to "Fatboy Slim". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.135.160.216 (talk) 10:27, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Essential Selection Vol. 1
Norman Cook did a double album with Paul Oakenfold called Essential Selection which was released in May of 2000... I thought I added this in yesterday but I cannot find it being re-edited or any mention of the change whatsoever. There was some album listed, Essential Milennium, but I reasoned it was Essential SELECTION, as I cannot find anything about an Essential Milennium. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ZeeFBI (talk • contribs) 20:07, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

section copy/pasted from web site
Speaking of copyright....

"Cook formed Beats International, a loose confederation of studio musicians including vocalists Lester Noel, D.J. Baptiste, Lindy Layton, rapper MC Wildski, and keyboardist Andy Boucher. Their first album, Let Them Eat Bingo (included the number one single, "Dub Be Good to Me"). "Dub Be Good To Me" caused a legal dispute revolving around allegations of infringement of copyright through the liberal use of unauthorised samples: the bassline was a note-for-note lift from The Clash's "The Guns Of Brixton" and the song also borrowed heavily from the S.O.S. Band's "Just Be Good To Me". The 1991 follow-up album Excursion on the Version, an exploration of dub and reggae rhythms, failed to repeat the success of its predecessor."

is what it says on http://www.fatboysl.im/History_1964_to_1996_fatboy_slim_norman_cook.html from where the copyright dispute paragraph has obviously been taken. Incidentally this is the only reference I can find to this legal dispute....

chochem (talk) 11:00, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Bands and pseudonyms
Am I the only one to think that this section is confusing (which are bands and which are pseudonyms?), not very usefull (there could be wikilinks on band names for example) and kind of pointless, since most of the stuffs are already written in the bio? I think this list should be removed, or at least be divided between bands and pseudonyms. Master Sel (talk) 20:36, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

David Bryne and Norman Cook's musical
The article says that it's not known if it was met with positive reviews. Well, it was, sort of. See http://www.theage.com.au/news/arts/retro-and-kitsch/2006/03/12/1142098341961.html - Tbsdy lives (talk) 08:18, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Weapon of choice video citation
Why does weapon of choice winning awards need a citation when all the information has already been added to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapon_of_Choice_(song) ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.113.41.96 (talk) 14:40, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

"Dance bitch"
"Dance Bitch" is an album that doesn't seem to be available in the UK, and one song of note (IMO) is Chemical Bros' "Hey Boy, Hey Girl" (I've heard of none of the others), and it isn't mentioned at all on here...any reason why? I added a link but wikipedia doesn't seem to like it, just google "fatboy slim dance bitch", or "dance bitch" alone and you'll find it 78.86.230.62 (talk) 00:36, 24 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Edit: Dunno if it's of note, but there may be multiple versions of the same album with different tracks, http://new.music.yahoo.com/fatboy-slim/albums/dance-bitch--209591767 says track 4 is something else, it should be aforementioned Chemical Bros. song 78.86.230.62 (talk) 00:40, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was moved. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 00:14, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Fatboy Slim → Norman Cook &mdash; The name usually used for the artist (in the industry and the mainstream media) is Norman Cook, as numerous citations show. Fatboy Slim refers to just part of his oeuvre. He is only called Fatboy Slim when referring to one of the works done under that alias. — Scientivore (talk) 15:24, 29 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Opposed WP:UCN — V = I * R  (talk to Ω) 02:10, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

I've undone the "merge"; it was just a copy and paste duplicate of this page, which is not how a move should be done. I'd like to see some consensus before we do the move (though, personally, I'd be okay with it). EVula // talk // &#9775;  // 15:37, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * no opinon given his propensity to change and use mulitple names, gazing into my crystal ball I am willing to bet that Norman Cook will eventually be landed on as the default choice. However, a google news search of "Fatboy Slim excluding Norman Cook" resulted in a much greater hit count than just plain "Norman Cook" returned; and many of the Norman Cook articles were about some city councilman, not the musician.--  The Red Pen of Doom  16:17, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Support As the proposer says, Fatboy Slim is just one, albeit very successful, part of Norman Cook. He had a successful life before the Fatboy Slim persona came about, and has used various other names since it was first used. Skinsmoke (talk) 01:29, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Support He's only called Fatboy Slim when referring to songs he's released under that persona, or performances of such songs. (He once said something like "Fatboy Slim is me in a bad Hawaiian shirt".) When referring to his greater body of work, or other aspects of his life, the commonly used named for him is Norman Cook. 99.226.239.5 (talk) 06:10, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Support Part of the article is about Fatboy Slim. The entire article is about Norman Cook. Labalius (talk) 23:03, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Support as per, well, all the above supports. - fchd (talk) 17:32, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
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Discography page
He's got enough albums to make an discography page now. I believe the page should be split into 'Studio albums', 'Compilation Albums', 'Remix Albums', 'EPs', 'Singles' and 'Videos'.--77.99.231.37 (talk) 19:25, 1 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi everyone. Please see my talk page, User talk:77.99.231.37, as i have started up the basis for a Fatboy Slim discography. ---77.99.231.37 (talk) 20:32, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Violation of Wikipedia common name policy
I believe the title of this article violates Wikipedia's Common Name Policy. Norman Cook is far more widely known as Fatboy Slim. The Wikipedia article on Cordozar Calvin Broadus is titled Snoop Dogg. The article on Brian Hugh Warner is titled Marilyn Manson. The article on Katheryn Elizabeth Hudson is titled Katy Perry. The article on Terry Gene Bollea is titled Hulk Hogan. The article on Samuel Langhorne Clemens is titled Mark Twain. Why isn't this article titled "Fatboy Slim"? I see the naming discussions up above, but I think the naming decision was made in spite of Wikipedia policy. --JHP (talk) 12:31, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Since some have argued that outside the U.S. he's more widely known as Norman Cook, I decided to do a little search with the British version of Google, google.co.uk. It turned up 2.9 million results for "Fatboy Slim" and only 188,000 results for "Norman Cook". I then restricted the results to "Pages from the UK". It turned up 300,000 results for "Fatboy Slim" and only 23,300 results for "Norman Cook". So, even in Britain, "Fatboy Slim" is his common name. When looking at the search result numbers, keep in mind that there are probably multiple people in the world named Norman Cook, but only one known as "Fatboy Slim". And still, "Fatboy Slim" generates substantially more search results than "Norman Cook". --JHP (talk) 12:47, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
 * This article was called Fatboy Slim. Only very recently was it changed to Norman Cook. This is because his carrer is much more than Fatboy Slim. Fatboy Slim is just one part of his musial carrer, as there is also Beats International, The Housemartins, Brighton Port Authority, Freak Power just to name four. Whilst Fatboy Slim is his most famous name, it's not everything he's done. Has Snoop Dogg every done anything under a different name (i know Katy Perry did but only once).--77.99.231.37 (talk) 20:57, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * He is very well known in the UK as Norman Cook, everyone over here knows him equally as both, i think it should stay as Norman Cook and keep redirecting people from Fatboy Slim to here Brock 009 (talk) 15:03, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Merger proposal
There is no need to have two article on the same person just because he has two aliases. Vanjagenije (talk) 20:33, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree completely, don't see there being any argument against it! Brock 009 (talk) 15:03, 22 February 2011 (UTC)


 * If, as the lead of The Brighton Port Authority says, that is a stage name for Cook, then by all means merge. If, as it seems to suggest lower down, The BPA was/is a collaboration between Cook and other musicians then I would be less certain in my suggestion, but still would have no strong objection to such a merger. Cnilep (talk) 05:18, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

But the BPA is not just Norman Cook it consists of a number of collaborators including Iggy Pop, David Byrne and Dizzee Rascal, who all get writing credits Jamwarm (talk) 09:37, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

The BPA is a collaboration of many different producers not just Norman Cook. Merging it would be rather insulting to the other contributers —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.112.149.30 (talk) 20:33, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Sho Nuff
I just saw an article on the Fatboy Slim song "Sho Nuff". The article's infobox stated that it was a single. However, I looked at the section of the Fatboy Slim article which shows his singles, and Sho Nuff isn't there.

Please respond, and Thank You. Supermiggelo 11:17, 13 April 2007 (UTC)


 * It was a B-side, the article has since been deleted.--92.237.88.53 (talk) 22:46, 16 July 2011 (UTC)