Talk:Fate: The Winx Saga

Name change
It looks like "Club" has been dropped from the show's title. Deadline updated their article to say "The Winx Saga" (the old version said "The Winx Club Saga") and the actor Theo Graham posted a script that says "The Winx Saga". TheFallenPower (talk) 13:14, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 January 2021
Shouldnt you add American too for Country of Origin. I mean it is an American show written by an American writer I think it would be best to add American too. 47.151.31.94 (talk) 22:40, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I'll add that. TheFallenPower (talk) 00:16, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Can someone add the plot as season synopsis. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.4.148.73 (talk) 12:54, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Speaking of country of origin.. I don't think the first sentence should list the countries of Fate, or the original show. There are a lot of countries involved so this can be confusing. When skimming the 1st sentence, I was confused & thought it was saying that Fate was Italian-American, when it is mainly British production. The 1st sentence should stay clearer. Donimb (talk) 18:54, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Filming locations
Fate: The Winx Saga was not filmed in Ashford Studios at all, only Ardmore Studios and on location, so this mention should be deleted. The person who added "Ashford Studios" clearly only read the headline of the article they referenced, but not the article itself which states Fate was filmed in Ardmore Studios. Thank you. Itscocopops1 (talk) 13:29, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I fixed it, thank you for helping. TheFallenPower (talk) 14:55, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Iginio Straffi and Francesco Artibani's creative roles on Fate
I think we should mention the creative roles of Iginio Straffi ("Winx Club" creator) and Francesco Artibani (lead writer for the animated series) on Fate: The Winx Saga along with Nickelodeon American team's role.

I found two Italian articles: in the first one (https://www.corriere.it/spettacoli/19_febbraio_02/winx-le-fatine-femministe-nuova-stagione-tv-musical-film-2a6aca0e-2726-11e9-a470-fc09ad5adcfe.shtml) Straffi talks about how the Winx are "predominant female characters", then he tells an anecdote about both the animated series and the live-action series: "In recent years, many have good-naturedly reproached us for having relegated males to a passive role. And now when we started planning the series with Netflix - which will air simultaneously in 190 countries - the role of males has remained marginal. Netflix pointed out that for such a large audience - moreover, these new stories are designed for an audience between 15 and 30 years - it would have been good to give a little more relevance to the male gender. But I fought not to change the values ​​of history where women are predominant. Also because then the risk is that nobody is satisfied when a choice is not made. Rather we will work on the dramatic element that will be commensurate with the target of young people. Obviously, we cannot tell the same stories told in the cartoon for girls to an audience of 20 or 30 years old."; in the second one (https://www.framedmagazine.it/le-winx-diventano-una-serie-netflix-intervista-a-francesco-artibani/) Artibani talks about his role on Fate: The Winx Saga, saying: "My role was simple enough. I was called - and I remember it because it was my birthday - on October 27 last year, for a meeting at the Rainbow headquarters in Loreto with the whole American group that had arrived from Rome. I hadn't read anything before, we were still in a preliminary phase. There was a first phase of listening in which I acted as a spectator, then a sort of consultancy, I read the script of the first episode and the storyline of the first season. In fact, I met Brian Young, the production lead writer, who is the same author of The Vampire Diaries. Besides him there were several assistants and a Netflix producer. They told me about the project but more than anything else they asked questions because they wanted to understand some aspects of the characters and the stories. They actually already had very clear ideas about what they wanted to do, so it was more of a diplomatic meeting. They collected a series of observations, suggestions and objections for a consultancy focused on the script, pointing out all those things that were wrong from the point of view of the cartoon, understanding how much the series had deviated."

What do you think?
 * Thanks so much for finding those, I'll add a bit about them, we've mainly found English sources so it's good to see some more info from the Italian side. I think Artibani is talking about the same time when Nickelodeon/Americans travelled to meet & review the script, because he mentions "a sort of consultancy, I read the script of the first episode." So I'll add that in the same spot. TheFallenPower (talk) 04:18, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 March 2021
I would like to add the plot summary for each episode. Here is what I have for them. Please let me know if the summaries are good or need some changes. MochiDonut (talk) 03:15, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I added this. I don't know if any of the summaries are accurate, so anyone can feel free to revert. Thanks for writing all that up! ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:43, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 March 2021 (2)
I would like to add to the critical response section. Here is my input.

Caroline Framke of Variety criticized the series for relying too much on clichés and wrote that “while adapted from an animated show about friends that was largely targeted at pre-teens, it takes a page out of the “Riverdale” book by giving everything an ominous sheen of sexy intrigue.” Joel Keller from Decider urged the audience to skip the series stating that “while there’s nothing inherently terrible about Fate: The Winx Saga, there’s nothing about it that stands out. Also, do we need yet another dark and gritty remake of a beloved kids’ series?”. Deirdre Molumby from Entertainment.ie praised the cast but criticized the plot and the poor CGI quality. On the contrary, Petrana Radulovic of Polygon wrote that “Fate: The Winx Saga does create a compelling, nuanced plot. The worldbuilding is exciting, offering a spin on the animated series’ world of fairies and non-magical, sword-wielding Specialists”. Melissa Camacho of Common Sense Media criticized the diversity of the cast along with the teen angst shown in the series, but wrote that “Fate: The Winx Saga offers a story world that is easy to escape into, and easy to get caught up in, if you're looking for a fantastical universe to explore.” Millie Mae Healy of The Harvard Crimson heavily criticized the series for its deviation from the source material and stated that it “goes out of its way to be less inclusive and compelling than the source material was” and called it “a damn shame”. Deyshna Pai of the UCSD Guardian gave the series “C+” and criticized its pacing and character development. Lolowinget (talk) 20:30, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 March 2021 (3)
I would like to add some of the casts' responses to the whitewashing criticism to the Controversy section.

Currently on there: 

The series received backlash over the casting of Applebaum as Musa, who was coded as East Asian and whose character design was based on Lucy Liu, as well as the apparent replacement of Flora, who was coded as Latina and whose character design was based on Jennifer Lopez, with a new white character named Terra.

I would like to add:

In response to the backlash, Abigail Cowen said she wasn’t involved in the casting but hoped that Flora would be introduced in Season 2 saying “I do think diversity both in front of and behind the camera is vital and much-needed throughout the industry and internationally. So I think it’s important that we are having these conversations.” Brian Young has said Terra is the cousin of Flora, leaving Flora’s inclusion in the show a possibility. Elisha Applebaum, who plays Musa also addressed the controversy. "It's really sad to see that fans were upset with the casting. I wasn't involved in the casting but I hope that what they've seen and how I've portrayed Musa was to their liking," Elisha told Digital Spy. MochiDonut (talk) 21:43, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 March 2021
In the Filming section, I think we could add a picture of the Killruddery house.

I also found some information about the show's music, maybe we could add a new section for it.

Fate: The Winx Saga's music score was composed by Anne Nikitin, and the official playlist is available on Spotify, including 33 songs from various artists. Netflix also released a playlist for each fairy: Bloom's Fire Playlist, Stella's Light Playlist, Musa's Mind Playlist, Aisha's Water Playlist, Terra's Earth Playlist, and Beatrix's Air Playlist on Spotify. MochiDonut (talk) 05:05, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 March 2021 (2)
Add to the reception section under a "Viewership" subsection

The show peaked at #2 on Nielson’s Streaming Charts on the week of January 25th with 918 million minutes in viewership, trailing only Bridgerton at 936 million. DrTeresaWalker (talk) 00:05, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

"Abigail Cowen" listed at Redirects for discussion
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Vandalism to page
Hi! An unregistered user, 223.178.210.45 is vandalising the Cast and Characters section of the page, removing the (season 1)/(season 2) from ones where that is needed and removing the Notes from Eva, Lesley, Jacob and Ken. Please someone help stop this editor. ACase0000 (talk) 16:47, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

The article needs to be updated or unlocked
Fate: The Winx Saga has been cancelled. 151.213.68.120 (talk) 16:13, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I wish the news was different, but it's been added. The Hollywood Reporter mentions that "Season two fell off the Nielsen rankings after two weeks... By comparison, some of Netflix’s biggest shows have passed the 100 million-hour mark in a single week," so I think the ratings were the reason, unfortunately. TheFallenPower (talk) 18:04, 1 November 2022 (UTC)