Talk:Father of the Australian Parliament

Longest Serving Father of the Parliament
Surely Philip Ruddock is now the longest serving father of the parliament, having now held the position for 14 years and 10 months (by my calculations)?
 * Seems like it, although he'll have to wait a bit to oust Billy Hughes from the Reps title. Will be interesting to see if anyone in the media notices. Frickeg (talk) 20:42, 5 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that heads up. I've bumped Hughes from his pedestal.  --   Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  21:01, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

No such thing as "Father of the Australian Parliament"
This article ought to be moved to Longest-serving member of the Australian Parliament, or something like that. The "Father of..." formulation is never used in Australia, even less so now that it's a seen as a gender-specific term. Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 08:42, 5 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Father of the House and Father of the Senate are unquestionably used, and so for all the state legislatures too. I can't say I've heard "Father of the Parliament" too often, though, so absent any further evidence I wouldn't have a problem with a move. By extension, I would not oppose merging Father of the Australian House of Representatives and Father of the Australian Senate into this page either, since they seem to duplicate each other rather. Frickeg (talk) 09:42, 5 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Apart, that is, from the fact that one deals with members of the House of Representatives and the other deals with Senators. But yes, Father of the  is a term that has a long history in Australia.  Tony Abbott certainly seems to think so.  --   Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  09:49, 5 June 2015 (UTC)


 * It's been a long day. I meant that they each seem to duplicate this page, not each other. Frickeg (talk) 09:53, 5 June 2015 (UTC)


 * I think that's inevitable to a degree, given that the F of the Parliament is always either the F of the Senate or the F of the HoR. Maybe some of the details could be dropped, but the article should remain.
 * Intelligent Mr Toad may wish to read Talk:Father of the House and Talk:Father of the Australian House of Representatives. --  Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  10:22, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Mr Toad is just the latest iteration of Adam Carr/Psephos. He's known for trying to impose his political views upon articles. Paul Austin (talk) 10:07, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh, really? I remember when Adam Carr announced he was leaving Wikipedia for some other place that was much more intellectually satisfying and academically appropriate. Ah yes, here it is: Citizendium. I wonder what changed his mind.  --   Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  10:30, 6 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Wait, you mean he actually is Adam Carr? I really don't think he is. Mr Toad has been around since before Adam Carr left Wikipedia, so if true that would be a sockpuppetry allegation (although one cold enough that no one would probably bother). Perhaps Paul just meant that he had a similar editing style? Frickeg (talk) 11:43, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

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Merge proposal
I propose merging Father of the Australian Parliament, Father of the Australian Senate, Father of the Australian House of Representatives, and Members of the Australian Parliament who have served for at least 30 years into a new article titled List of longest-serving members of the Parliament of Australia. It would contain exactly the same information as those articles, except all in the one place. Each page would probably correspond to one section of the new merged article. It probably isn't justifiable on notability grounds to have four separate articles. Records of members of parliament of the United Kingdom just chucks everything in together; I wouldn't go that far but I think these topics are closely enough related that they could sit together. I've had a read of the talk page discussions on each of those articles – a page merger would solve some of the problems that have been raised about the "Father of the X" terms not necessarily being used. We could just say "the longest-serving member is sometimes referred to as the Father of the X" rather than having it as an article title. I'll ping User:Frickeg, User:Intelligent Mr Toad, User:JackofOz, User:Paul Benjamin Austin, User:Rrius, User:Jack Upland, as people who have been involved in previous talk page discussions and may wish to comment. Ivar the Boneful (talk) 08:05, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a good idea.--Jack Upland (talk) 08:37, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree. This makes a lot of sense. Frickeg (talk) 12:17, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I also agree. Very sensible.  --   Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  21:01, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
 * This makes sense to me as well. -Rrius (talk) 02:04, 5 November 2018 (UTC)