Talk:Favelle Favco Group

Request for updates
Hello, my name is Zen and I'm from the Favelle Favco office in Australia. We would like to request a number of updates for this article:

1

"It is based in Malaysia, with manufacturing facilities in Australia and the United States."

We have engineering offices / production facilities in a number of other countries across the world, with the complete list being comprised of Malaysia, Australia, China, Denmark, Singapore, Taiwan, the UAE and the USA.

2

"The company states that its cranes were used to construct nine of the ten tallest buildings ever built, including the World Trade Center in New York."

We would like to move this line into a new section entitled 'Tower Cranes', and to include a table similar to the list of the tallest skyscrapers in the world excluding #3. The other nine buildings in the top ten on that list have in fact used Favelle Favco cranes.

We would also like to include a paragraph describing our M2480D tower crane.

3

We would like to add an additional section entitled 'Offshore Cranes' describing our current work in this area.

4

Lastly we would like to request the deletion of the sections relating to the crane collapses. These cranes were indeed constructed by Favelle Favco but the collapses were not due to manufacturing faults.

The March 2008 incident occurred "as workers [from the onsite client company] attempted to jack up the crane", as mentioned in the article linked on the page currently.

The October 2012 incident occurred during Superstorm Sandy, as mentioned on the page.

We feel that these sections, which comprise about half of the entire page, result in an article that reads in a non-neutral tone.

Favellefavco (talk) 02:16, 4 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Some comments.


 * 1) Do you have third-party sources for the list of facilities? Right now I'll shorten the list of manufacturing plants to what the Star reports.
 * 2) The sources don't explicitly support the "9 out of 10" line, and I don't think a single one of them even mentions nine buildings. I've thus instead give a short list of examples. A full table, however, seems overkill; we can instead link to the existing table.
 * 3) I couldn't find much on offshore cranes; most news coverage seems to be rather routine "Favelle Favco sold a crane" coverage without any details. I don't think I have access to the source proposed here on the talk page, and it doesn't sound like a reliable source by Wikipedia's standards anyway.
 * 4) I agree that the crane collapses are not significant and have removed them; one was completely unsourced (also, "Hurricane causes damage to company-manufactured equipment"? Seriously? Are we next adding to the General Motors article that the hurricane also damaged GM-manufactured cars?). For the other I had to do quite some digging to find a passing mention that Favelle Favco indeed manufactured the crane, and the source gave no indication that the collapse was manufacturer-related.
 * I've also added a little more financial data; some information on the company history might be nice, too. Huon (talk) 18:15, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Request for updates 2
Hello, as a follow-up to my previous request, I would like to request some additional updates to be made to this article.

Redirects
Currently the search terms "Favelle Favco" and "Favco" both link here, which refers to the collapse of a crane manufactured by Favelle Favco in Manhattan in 2008. In fact, there was previously a section on this article that referenced this incident, but this section was removed after my previous request for updates (it was deemed insignificant to the article as the collapse was not due to a manufacturing fault).

In the same vein, we would like these search terms ("Favelle Favco" and "Favco") to redirect to this article instead. We would also like the new search terms "Favelle Favco Cranes" and "Favco Cranes" to link to this article, as we are also referred to by these names.
 * User:Huon already changed the redirects on 31 July 2014‎, and the additional redirects should be available soon. --82.136.210.153 (talk) 16:47, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Plant locations
Current: "It is based in Malaysia, with the main plant south of Kuala Lumpur and a branch office in Sydney."

Requested: "The main plant is based south of Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, with major production facilities and engineering offices also located in Sydney, Shanghai, Texas and Lynge, Denmark."

Reason: The Sydney office is not just a branch location, but is a full-fledged production facility and engineering office. The rest of the places mentioned are the locations of our other major offices.

Sources: Sydney Shanghai Texas Lynge
 * I have added the offices, with some minor changes, including the following: I've used "China" instead of "Shanghai" (the article at The Edge mentions the former but not the latter), and I've tagged "Denmark" with citation needed (the page at power-technology.com is clearly written like an advertisement, and it is not a reliable source). --82.136.210.153 (talk) 12:15, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Company history
Current: N/A

Requested: "The company was founded in 1923 by Edward Favelle and Arthur Cole under the name "Favelle and Cole". It was originally an automotive repair and welding company.  It was acquired by Muhibbah Engineering in 1995."

Reason: Information on company history was requested by Huon in my previous request for updates. Potentially what I have written above could be fleshed out a little more using the sources below.

Sources:
 * I have added "Muhibbah Engineering acquired Favelle Favco in 1995." to the article, using the cranestodaymagazine.com reference. I did not (yet) add the other material. The bloomberg.com page does not appear to contain any of the requested additions. I prefer not to use the PDF file that is on constructionedge.com.au, because it appears to be a homepage of a person (David Chandler). I also did not (yet) use the content on favellefavco.com, because it is a primary source; a secondary source that presents the same material is preferred. Do you have additional sources? --82.136.210.153 (talk) 22:31, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Financial data
Current: "It had a market capitalization of RM250 million in 2012, average annual revenues of RM490 million and profits of RM29 million."

Requested: "It had a market capitalization of around RM750 million in 2014. In 2013, annual revenue for the company was approximately RM764 million, with profits of just under RM65 million."

Reason: The financial data quoted on the article currently comes from 2012 and is no longer representative of the company in its current state.

Sources: Market cap Revenue and profit (please see page 12 of the PDF, which is labelled 11 on the page numbers)
 * Both sources seem reliable. I have added the requested content, with some minor changes: I placed the sentence about 2013 before the one about 2014, I used "October 2014" instead of "2014", and used "around RM700 million" for the market capitalization of (October) 2014 instead of "around RM750 million" (because 696.85 is the current value on bloomberg.com). I did not remove the 2012 material, because I believe it shows the company growth, among other things. --82.136.210.153 (talk) 11:15, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Offshore cranes
Current: "Offshore cranes make up about 85% of all of Favelle Favco's crane orders."

Requested: Removal of this sentence.

Reason: This sentence was true of the period between January and July 2013 (as noted on the page cited in the article currently). However, the 85% figure is date-sensitive and fluctuates all the time. For this reason we would like to remove this sentence.
 * As you write the sentence was true for the period in question and as I want to prevent the loss of knowledge from Wikipedia, I have rewritten the sentence to more accurately present the facts. --82.136.210.153 (talk) 23:21, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Dead link
Near the bottom of the article currently, there is a link to this page, however visiting that page turns up a 500 internal server error. The page seems to have been moved and can be found here. In fact, I've actually used this page as a source in one of my sections above and the link can be found under this citation:
 * I have removed the dead link, and I've used the working page as an in-line citation for the acquisition. (As mentioned above; edit here.) --82.136.210.153 (talk) 22:41, 14 October 2014 (UTC)