Talk:Fazlullah (militant leader)

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Early life?
Is there any information about his early years? My aunt saw some show that mentioned him and got all flipped out saying she recognized him as a guy who worked at a store she used to go to... yeah, not putting much into that, but it'd be nice to tell her that he definitely wasn't in the US in 2000 so she'd stop bugging me. --Patteroast (talk) 18:28, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Dude, this guy doesn't even leave that part of Pakistan. There's no way he was in some convenience store in Jersey. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.215.220.134 (talk) 17:55, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

I am uploading his photo —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zalmayzia (talk • contribs) 00:06, 29 September 2008 (UTC) AIK NUMBER KA ULLU KAA PATHA AUR BEGHERAT INSAAN HAI YE MULLA RADIO.

2009 February Ceasefire
I added a subsection to the 2009 February Ceasefire section about "Reactions to the Ceasefire." This subsection may not really be as pertinent on Fazlullah's page as it would be on the TSNM page or even on Sufi Muhammed's page (since he actually negotiated the ceasefire).RDavi404 (talk) 14:18, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
 * No, I don't think that this is quite so relevant to the biography of Maulana Fazlullah. It certainly shouldn't be a section.  At best it could be part of a sentence. --Bejnar (talk) 19:17, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree. We should probably edit the article so that it fits more into the flow of it and features links to the appropriately related articles.--RDavi404 (talk) 22:43, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * In fact, I think the whole "Military Situation" section should be omitted or rewritten. "Military Situation" has more to do with the Swat than with Fazlullah.--RDavi404 (talk) 22:46, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I have made a first stab at changing the section to /* TSNM activities */ and discussing Fazlullah as the topic therein. Obviously it needs more work. --Bejnar (talk) 16:03, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

forcing vice and virtue
When Bigsaf created the article in October 2007 he said: He preaches forcing vice and virtue .... What exactly does this mean? --Bejnar (talk) 19:12, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Move proposal
The word Maulana is a title, an honorific meaning master. The Manual of Style (biographies) indicates that these should not be use as part of an article title. Therefore, I propose to move this article to Qazi Fazlullah; although there might be confusion with the former member of the Pakistani parliament, Qazi Fazlullah. See "Archive for the 'Qazi Fazlullah' Category ". I also note Qazi Fazlullah Bin Ruzbahan, the fanatic, (aka Qazi Fazlullah Ruzbahan Shirazi) who wrote Ibtalu'l-Batil. --Bejnar (talk) 17:00, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I have been informed that Qazi means judge and may not be part of his name. Does anyone have certain information about his name? None of the newspaper articles that I read indicated that Qazi was a title of Fazlullah, but several did point out that Maulana was an honorific. --Bejnar (talk) 17:38, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the proposal was no consensus for the move at this time. Dekimasu よ! 16:10, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Maulana Fazlullah → Fazlullah (Mullah Radio) &mdash; I have requested that the Maulana Fazlullah article be renamed, because Maulana is an honorific. See full discussion here. --Bejnar (talk) 17:55, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose - on the grounds that English-language media always refer to him as Maulana Fazlullah. We have no additional information about his full name.  I also believe that since "Mullah Radio" is a nickname it would not be appropriate to use it as part of an article's title.--RDavi404 (talk) 15:08, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
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Requested move

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The result of the move request was: Moved to Fazlullah (militant leader) Mike Cline (talk) 18:52, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Maulana Fazlullah → Fazlullah (militant leader) – As has been previously mentioned, "Maulana" is a title for an Islamic scholar, and is not part of Fazlullah's name. Article titles should not include such honorifics. Yes, he is most commonly referred to as Maulana Fazlullah, but the leader of the Afghan Taliban is most commonly referred to as Mullah Omar, yet his article is titled Mohammed Omar. "Mohammed Omar" is not "first-name last-name", it's a given name, as is "Fazlullah". It is not uncommon for people to have no surname in countries like Pakistan and Afghanistan. Axiom292 (talk) 23:43, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Support for the reasons you mention. "Maulana" could be left in the lead. -- RDavi404 (talk) 14:11, 10 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Support for the reasons above. There are several other bio articles where Maulana is also incorrectly used in the page title as a first name. Maulana is an Islamic scholarly honorific and is often informally applied by followers (as opposed to certain honors which governments bestow). I have made a similar request to retitle Maulana Abdul Hamid Khan Bhashani. George Custer&#39;s Sabre (talk) 15:47, 13 September 2012 (UTC)


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Semi-protected edit request on 19 December 2014
Maulvi Fazal ullah has been killed in Fresh airstrike! carried out by PAF jets inside Afghanistan The intelligence sharing played an important role in eliminating the master mind of Peshawar attack. The SSG operators have now responded with the visual confirmation of the dead body of TTP commander Fazal Ullah. Awaiting their return home safely   source:https://www.facebook.com/MODPak

zarkmughal 21:58, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 23 December 2014
Fazlullah Religion is Deoband Islam, not Islam, it needs to be correct, because Islam don't teach terrorism, anti-islam (which made by deoband promote terrorism), Islam is the religion of Love and Peace.

FaizanSid (talk) 00:45, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

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Removal of Unsubstantiated Report of Death
The source of this rumor is highly questionable, a hearsay report of a Facebook post made on a blog that appears to have dubious reliability. The anonymous edit was made by an unregistered editor in unsuitable format, placed in an inappropriate section of the article. Until and only if substantiated, the reverted edit, as follows, appears to be a violation of BLP as well. "On 20 December 2014, an unconfirmed report stated that Fazlullah was killed by Pakistan Air Force jets in Afghanistan. name=oneindia http://www.oneindia.com/international/ttp-chief-fazlullah-killed-pakistan-media-peshawar-siege-1598251.html" Activist (talk) 22:16, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

I also removed the claim that the photo of Fazlullah was the only one. There are many in the public domain and otherwise. Activist (talk) 12:17, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

DAT BEARD. Dude looks like he glued a bunch of shaved-off pubes to his face. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.89.110.37 (talk) 16:13, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 6 September 2015

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. A reasonable request and a reasonable objection, no consensus here. Proposed title created as a redirect. Jenks24 (talk) 10:34, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Fazlullah (militant leader) → Qazi Fazlullah – Per WP:NATURAL.

The name 'Qazi Fazlullah' has appeared in this source  by the Long War Journal which documents the war on terror, terror groups and their leadership structures. Seeing as how this new proposal is in line with WP:NATURAL by removing a parenthetical disambiguation and replacing it with a natural one, I have issued this move request. --Ritsaiph (talk) 08:00, 6 September 2015 (UTC) --Relisted. Natg 19 (talk) 17:51, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose "Honorifics and other titles such as "King", "Queen", "Blessed", "Mother", "Father", "Doctor" etc. are not generally used to begin the titles of biographical articles," GregKaye 21:04, 6 September 2015 (UTC)


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Islamist
Folks, do not describe this guy as an Islamist, these people have no religion. They associate themselves with the religion because it goes in their favor and gives them a purported legitimacy but it does not go in favor of rest of the World especially it hurts all peace loving Muslims that their religion is being associated with killers like Fazlullah. Describing them as an Islamist insults their victims as most of them was Muslims as well. Quran says Whoever kills a person [unjustly]…it is as though he has killed all mankind. And whoever saves a life, it is as though he had saved all mankind. (Qur’an, 5:32)

This guy massacred hundreds of children in a Pakistani school, how can we associate his action with Islam.

Furthermore, there was a fatwa by fifty Muslim scholars describing Taliban's attack on Malala as unislamic so when an action taken by him been decreed as unislamic by scholars then why in the World we should describe him as an Islamist. His words has no value, this source states he used to say he was not a religious scholar so how can words of non-scholar have any value over words of scholars.

If this all is not good enough to convince you to remove this term, there are 47 references in this article, I searched each and every one of them for this term, only two out of forty seven have an indirect reference to this term, forty five sources do not have this term at all. How can we give undue weight to this term and put it in the first sentence of the lead? Keeping in view everything I stated above using this term is against neutral point of view, we cannot include something so undue and non-neutral in the name of WP:NOTCENSORED! Sheriff &#124; ☎ 911 &#124; 00:42, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I won't go into detail too much here but just highlight that even Pakistani RS calls him "Islamist leader" so what else?  --Saqib (talk) 10:02, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
 * What do you think about this term being in the lead just based on few sources while majority of the sources never mention the term at all? Sh</b><b style="color: red;">eri</b><b style="color: blue;">ff</b> &#124; <b style="color: black;">☎ 911</b> &#124; 17:34, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Why don't you run a Google search using keywords and see the results. --Saqib (talk) 20:09, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I have done that and did not find more than few. Most of them address him as Pakistani Taliban leader or Pakistani Taliban chief in the heading without any reference to him as an Islamist in the body. I think we should be basing our articles based on the sources present in the article itself instead of telling folks to go do a Google search because then disagreement can arise on number of search results as some can claim they get many while some can claim they get few without any way to confirm or prove otherwise. <b style="color: blue;">Sh</b><b style="color: red;">eri</b><b style="color: blue;">ff</b> &#124; <b style="color: black;">☎ 911</b> &#124; 20:17, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

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