Talk:Fearne Cotton/Archive 1

1982?
I could have sworn she said she was 24 the other day (I'm writing this in April 2006 BTW), which, if she was born in September, would put her year of birth as 1981, not 1982.
 * mmmh. I did a Google search and everything came up with her being born in 1982.  However her myspace profile says that she is 24 (in the external links in the article). I think a similar thing happened with Jamie Lynn Spears and it turned out that her publicist had made a mistake (see WP:LAME).  I'm not quite sure of the solution to this.  RicD o d 08:41, 18 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Her DOB on IMDb is the same as here. But yesterday, the Daily Mail Weekend claimed that she's 25, which if true would put this more than a year out.  And the MySpace profile still has it down as 24.  But sometimes false DOBs are published even on official sources – see Sinéad O'Carroll for instance. -- Smjg 16:34, 20 August 2006 (UTC)


 * 1981 is confirmed by the entry in the BMD. Q3 1981 Fearne Cotton, Brent (registration district), mother's maiden name Savage.  --jmb 23:51, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Nottingham Uni Summer Party DJ Set
I watched the set and although she did swear and encourage people to "get pissed" it was well received by the crowd. The overall reaction to her set was very positive and I didn't hear any criticism as it says in the main article here."


 * After I removed this information once it was put back by another user, this suggested their may be some weight behind it so I requested a citation. Your response here verifies it's nothing more than original research so it's been removed altogether. I think Fearne would seem a bit out of place doing a set in a university bar if she didn't encourage people to drink and talked as if she was presenting Top of the Pops: Reloaded. Anyway, it's now been removed again. If someone wishes to resubmit the information they must provide an official citation reference backing the alleged criticism of Fearne's behaviour. Pete 17:17, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

She's 25
According to Fearne herself, on Radio One – they were talking about her birthday. She was born 3 Sept 1981. Proto :: type  06:08, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I was listening too, I've just corrected it and removed the dubious assertion tag. Peteb16 18:29, 8 September 2006 (UTC)


 * There is a birth registered for a Fearne Cotton in the Third Quarter of 1981 in Brent in the BMD Index. --jmb 02:17, 18 November 2006 (UTC)


 * That makes this sentence in the article incorrect: She began her presenting career in 1998 at the age of 15 – even before she had her birthday in the year in question she would have been 16, not 15 ChrisTheDude 11:01, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Pic
Are you sure that you're allowed to use that pic from the Eurovision Songcontest? I wrote the Fearne Cotton-articel for de. wp. and I'm not allowed to use it. Robin90
 * Image now has a non-free media rationale attached to it. It should hopefully be covered under Wikipedia's fair use policy simply because it illustrates the subject referenced (Fearne presenting the UK televoting) and no free alternative could possibly exist. Peteb16 08:44, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Headings
Why does this article have headings for each programme she has hosted? There is even one heading for her interviews with stars on the Oscar red carpet, with only one sentence under it, similar to several other sections with only a few sentences under these headings. They are getting out of hand here, there must be some other way of organizing this article. Eagle Owl 10:59, 23 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Agreed, the career section needs re-writing so it flows properly. We don't need all these different headings for each job she's ever had. I might have a go when I've time. Kevin Judson 18:06, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Pudsey tattoo
she said on jonathan ross tonight that she doesn't have a pugsey tattoo on her buttocks, it's a myth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.192.112.189 (talk • contribs)

Middle name
As quoted above, the GRO Birth Index just has her recorded as Fearne COTTON (i.e. no middle name) with mother's maiden name SAVAGE. Born Q3 1981. --jmb (talk) 09:14, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Missing photograph
Just a quick note to let you know that I have been in touch with Fearne Cotton's Agents and Management regarding obtaining a licenced photograph of her to add to her Wikipedia Article. I expect to have something back by tomorrow or wednesday at the latest. :) Thor Malmjursson (talk) 17:31, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Fansite
Since this article has been tagged with the "fansite" complaint, I am going to work extensively on it to clean it up. Any suggestions/help/contributions/comments appreciated! Jubilee♫ clipman 08:54, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Have now removed the tag, having worked extensively on the article to bring it up to something like the standards of other Wiki Living Person Bios. There is still alot of verification to be done, however, along with further additions etc where appropriate. Jubilee♫ clipman 17:23, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Additional The many references need to be verified. I have removed one that was intended to reference her tatoos, but instead spoke of her sexual prowess... interesting but not what we need! (Suspected hijacking, obviously) Jubilee♫ clipman  18:27, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Further Fearne if you reading this, we need a piccie... pretty please!!! Jubilee♫ clipman 18:27, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Rating and Comic Relief
Wow: B-class! Let's see if we can get to GA...! It seems there has been a lot of interest here since I've been gone. Great, especially given the attempted vandalism etc. Also it seems Fearne has gained... and lost... and MBE! Perhaps Most Beautiful Entertainer... though, why she had to lose it again so soon remains a mystery...! LOL! Keep up the good work. Oh BTW, the insert about Comic Relief read more like a publicity stunt, so I've rewritten it and put it, more logically, within her career entry. Not sure whether it ought to be there at all, actually, as it hasn't happened yet... Thoughts? Jubilee♫ clipman 21:22, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Family
I've been trying to verify and reference Fearne's family, but am having some trouble with the famous names. I am finding myself in the (almost) inevitable position of returning sites quoting old versions this very Wiki page. Even Sir Bill is proving harder to verify than I expected despite the fact that the relationship is very well-known. The only relatively reliable (non-Wiki) source is a TV review site. Jim Rosenthal, worse still, is almost imposible to verify and I am beginning to doubt the authenticity of the claim. Any help much appreciated. We also need to reference some her schooling and some of her early career. Thanks. Jubilee♫ clipman 00:47, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

British English!
Not sure if any one bother reading this discussion page, but please note that we spell it "programme"... I actually got told off for this, so you're not unique! Otherwise, this Wiki is looking great! Jubilee♫ clipman 22:43, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Axl Rose
I note that suggestions that Cotton is a distant relative of Axl Rose have been repeatedly added. I consider these claims to be dubious and the recent addition of an apparent source, "Cosmopolitan interview, July 2008", does little to convince me that this is genuine. It is worth considering this edit in the context of the other edits by the IPs which have added this content. The IPs include at least, , and. Looking at a few other edits by those, they include [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=FHM&diff=prev&oldid=362142279 suggesting] that Axl Rose has been declared "FHM 100 Sexiest Women In The World" for 2006 and 2007, an [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vernon_Kay&diff=prev&oldid=362149983 interesting] use of quotation marks, [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:82.11.99.63&diff=prev&oldid=362108599 changing] messages from other users, and [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nuts_%28magazine%29&diff=prev&oldid=362112643 adding] that Nuts is "Aimed at the pikey market". There is enough there for me to believe it is appropriate to consider the edits by this user to be vandalism. Adambro (talk) 15:31, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

CELEBRITY JUICE
Why has nothing been said about the hugely popular "Celebrity Juice" show where she is a team captain. There's no mention whatsoever of it and it has been going on for years now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andyjlaidlaw (talk • contribs) 20:22, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 28 June 2012
Please remove Fearne Cotton playing the trumpet because I heard her on BBC Radio 1 that she doesn't

Cboy1998 (talk) 18:19, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Ryan Vesey  Review me!  18:54, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Tabloid journalism
I've semi-protected the article after the request on RfPP. I notice that there's a lot of tabloid journalism used as sources, which is a violation of WP:BLPSOURCES. I started removing it, but then realized I'd have to remove whole sections, so I'm leaving this note instead to ask the editors on the page to start the process of re-sourcing any material they want to keep. If it's notable enough for the bio, then (I hope) alternative sources will have mentioned it. SlimVirgin (talk) 02:07, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Name
New user here so not entirely certain what the policy for this would be, but on her radio show today (Monday 14th of July 2014) she explained that she is keeping "Fearne Cotton for work" but is "Fearne Wood" in her private life, but definitely not "Cotton Wood" (after considering it, she didn't like the sound of it).

Looking at other articles in a similar position I'm changing this to "Fearne Wood (née Cotton, born 3 September 1981), known professionally as Fearne Cotton" and then source this to her radio show today (surely there's no better source than the woman herself explaining the situation), but then the issue being of course that the radio show will be available for one week and then be lost into the depths of the BBC archives. How should this be dealt with? Ruffice98 (talk) 15:06, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Ian Watkins
Why is there no mention of Ian Watkins on this page? VenomousConcept (talk) 21:13, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

A search with Google using

"Fearne Cotton" Watkins

makes this look very suspicious. Who wrote this article ? Her agent ? 142.162.21.54 (talk) 09:05, 29 July 2014 (UTC)


 * She went out with him in 2005, i.e. nine years ago. So what? Nick Cooper (talk) 11:49, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Start of career
The article mentions her career as starting in 1998 at the age of 17, however this cannot be the case as The Disney Club had already ended by the time she turned 17 and she had been hosting Diggit since earlier in the year (at the age of 16). She has mentioned on her radio show in the past that her career began in 1996 when she was 15, and I have managed to locate a source confirming this age but not this year (although if she was 15 at the time it narrows it down to 1996 or 1997 anyway). If anyone else can locate such a source it would be appreciated. Ruffice98 (talk) 15:50, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

External links modified
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Surname?
There is no ref given for her ever having used the surname Wood – is there any evidence for this? Marthiemoo (talk) 22:42, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Surname
No citation is given that she has ever used the name Wood. Is there a reason to think that she has? Marthiemoo (talk) 23:38, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Ian Watkins
Why isn't Ian Watkins mentioned in the Personal Life section? VenomousConcept (talk) 17:39, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Ian Watkins reference
Hi everyone!

Fearne Cotton's ex boyfriend Ian Watkins is a convicted child sex offender. I would like to add this to the page as it draws out context already provided by the accepted citations/sources and is factually accurate.

Wikipedia is not a repository of puff pieces/press biogs, it is a repository of peer reviewed factual information. Just because a fact is unpleasant, doesn't make it less true.

It is down to the reader to determine how they process appropriately evidenced information.

Therefore, I would appreciate it if the guardians of this page would allow me to revert their edits, or provide evidence that it is not in fact accurate to state that Ian Watkins is a convicted child sex offender. Wearethemissile (talk) 10:11, 9 March 2023 (UTC)


 * There is a very big difference between dating a convicted sex offender, and dating someone who many years later is convicted of being a sex offender. The former is irrelevant in the context. In fact the relationship itself is irrelevant. The article notes who she got engaged to and then who she subsequently had a child with. Previous dating history falls under either/both of WP:NOTNEWS and WP:NOTDIR - just because we *can* list it, doesn't mean that we *should*. 10mmsocket (talk) 10:19, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok, please suggest a happy medium - perhaps 'who was later convicted of offences against children which took place between 200x and 200y'?
 * This is obviously an attempt at reputation management, given the amount of interest this edit has accrued, and I would therefore ask you to declare any conflict of interest that exists. Wearethemissile (talk) 10:22, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Hoorah! You finally get it. That is exactly what is happening here. Me and @ButterCashier and @DoebLoggs are three editors in good standing, who are seeking to manage the reputation of Wikipedia by protecting it against those who would seek to reduce it to a scandal sheet something akin to the Daily Star. You might also notice that the article has now been edit-protected to stop you causing further problems. 10mmsocket (talk) 10:43, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * awesome, so in your opinion the number of tattoos Fearne Cotton has is of public interest, but the fact that she had a relationship with someone who is now in prison for sexually assaulted an infant child is not?
 * My implication-which I will state clearly - is that you and others are in fact paid to manage the reputation of Ms Cotton, and therefore you have a conflict of interest.
 * I will investigate and return.
 * In the meantime I will take this issue to the highest authority in the hinterland! Wearethemissile (talk) 10:53, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Good luck with that. 10mmsocket (talk) 11:09, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I've honestly got no vested interest in this, I just don't think things should be erased just because they are inconvenient. I note you haven't addressed any of the points I have raised.
 * I have raised a dispute and that will be that, I really don't think editing guidelines have been followed here so let's see what happens.
 * Very best,
 * Jeremy. Wearethemissile (talk) 12:06, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I suggest you drop this now, Jeremy/Wearethemissile; you've had an answer at the BLP board and, despite your assertion immediately above, 10mmsocket has answered and addressed your point; in fact, you have not addressed his point, which is the simple explanation of why your addition is not only not necessary but positively unnecessary. Happy days ~ LindsayHello
 * What many editors are saying here and in the BLP noticeboard is summed up nicely at Drop the stick and back slowly away from the horse carcass. Why not find other ways in which to improve Wikipedia? There are thousands of articles needing attention. As you seem to have an interest in biographies of living people, there are currently 107 articles in Category:BLP articles lacking sources from March 2023, and a grand total of 95,000 from previous months. 10mmsocket (talk) 14:01, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

I had a look for sources myself, and they are largely unacceptable tabloid journalism. The best one I can find is this piece in The Independent which criticises Fearne Cotton for using a slogan popularised by Ian Watkins following his conviction, and mentions the relationship as an explanation for why it's problematic. That could go in the article if there is sustained coverage on that from multiple trustworthy sources. There's also this meta-source from The Guardian which basically criticises the approach taken by tabloids. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  14:09, 9 March 2023 (UTC)