Talk:Featherbed frame

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'Peter Norton'
< Peter Norton was concerned at the reliability of his plunger (or "Garden Gate") frame >

Which 'Peter Norton' was this? A reference would be useful. 86.178.20.129 (talk) 14:10, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Well spotted! The wikilink was to Peter Norton, software developer (who may or may not have any interest in motorcycles) - but I just ran a search for 'Peter Norton featherbed' and found that this error has been replicated all over the internet.  Shows why it is so important for us to get our facts right.  I have sorted it now thanks Thruxton (talk) 19:21, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

BMW Frames
It is quite obvious that BMW was inspired by the featherbed frame in designing the slash 5 series (R50/5 to R75/5) of 1969 (ironically, just when Norton was dropping it in favour of Dr. Stefan Bauer's isolastic frame).

And the BMW RS of 1954 is an earlier example of what looks very much like a BMW version of teh featherbed frame:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/robertgaszak/5838402544/

Does anybody have information about it? 87.122.24.105 (talk) 11:44, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

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BRD Bold, Revert, Discuss
Disputed Summary for the BRD process, the article does not have an inline citation from a reliable secondary source, independent of  the article subject required by Wikipedia for independent nobility WP:N as all of the references are all  from motor-cycle  publications and many with broken or dead links. A reference from the report for the 1951 or 1952 Isle of Man TT Races in the newspaper the Isle of Man Examiner may be considered by editors to satisfy independent notability as it relates to the summary in paragraph 1 of the article, presumed to be the lede sentence or executive summary for the article. WP:LEDE The patent description is a primary source WP:PRIMARY with a dead or broken link, may give a correct description of the frame. However, the same McCandless patent description does not contain the term “featherbed frame” and the patent  is a generic description of a motor-cycle frame and therefore not cannot be considered as  a  reliable secondary  source  that is  independent of  the article subject required by Wikipedia for independent nobility WP:N. The source for the 1933 Brough Superior model contains a third –party account of the motor-cycle as a “….Feather bed….”  rather than a works or factory designation of “featherbed frame ” in the description of the “rear sprung frame.”   Although  a type of  “rear sprung frame” may be considered a defining feature  of the featherbed frame and most modern motor-cycles have variations or evolutions  of the featherbed frame which is not reflected by the article. The McCandless patent of 1949 contains no description of the  similar “rear sprung frame” as shown in the Brough Superior advertisement. Editors should note that the photo of the 1960  Café racer replica (?) in the article  has differences to the original patent prototype frames and also to the factory Norton “featherbed” racing motor-cycles of the period 1949-1952/54. agljones(talk)20:06, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
 * You need to LEARN what "independent" means, despite using two identities from 2006 and 2008 you still cannot grasp the fundamentals. "...the references are all from motor-cycle publications" - what do you expect - industry-experts, or Isle of Man-only parochial newspapers? Please do not again top-template this as WP:NOTE, or get over to a noticeboard where you will be flamed for continued BAD FAITH Wikilawyering. It's not a cafe racer, it's a bespoke, hand-built, semi-Manx Norton replica called a Manxman using an International engine, by a Welshman called Neville something - I have a period mag I can cite if it'll make you happy - see Talk:Doug Hele. You shouldn't present yourself as a hypocrite by applying your own questionable quasi-knowledge alleging that you can discern detail differences in an image - it's an example of the WP:NOR that you are always shouting about - 'hoist by own petard'.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 21:05, 9 November 2017 (UTC)


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