Talk:Fedayeen

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"the word Fida'ye describes several distinct Muslim groups " this is not precise, because the Fedayeen weren't always Muslims , nor where they always members in Islamic movements , for instance , the PFLP , the popular Front For Leberation of Palestine , and Fatah , both don't describe them selves as "Islamic" , and both had non-Muslim Palestinians in among their founders , such as "kamal nasser" of fatah , and Geogre Habash and wade haddad which are the founders of PFLP , are all Palestinian Christians , and the conflict with Israel didnt have a religious dimension with religious movements or Islamic ones until the creation of Jihad Islamic and Hamas movements (Hamas was created in the end of the 1980s) , and the Fedayeen were active in an era where the main stream was socialism and the parties that were active in it where generally on the "left" and "extreme-left" part of the political spectrum of the Palestinian movements. in short "most" of the Fedayeen didn't have religious reasons to "sacrifice" the selves but their reasons where patriotic, i.e. freeing Palestine from the Israeli occupation by means of force and attacking Israel military in west bank and historical Palestine (Israel).

Please consider changing Muslim to Palestinian or Arab, even though I believe it can describe someone of any nationality , at least that's what it means in Arabic.

Palestinians
"Armed Palestinian militias known as the Fedayeen, constituted from the refugees of the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, made efforts to infiltrate and strike against Israeli towns, infrastructure and citizens. The Fedayeen were based in Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt, and Syria. The Fedayeen were recruited, armed and trained mainly by the PLO." I doubt that the PLO could train anyone before '64, right? Or how comes an organization founded '64 can train fighters in the 50's. If they had had a time machine, why not go back further and correct certain other things? -- Taalib 01:37, 7 September 2007 (CET)

Hashhashins
An anonymous user added the following to the hashhashin bullet point::(Note: this is a widely distributed but patently false etymology, the story of the old man on the mountain is a fabrication supposedly transcribed from Marco Polos journals, no other sources exist for this legend)I moved it to here, pending comments. Anyone know what this is about? – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 12:28, August 21, 2005 (UTC):The Nizaris (followers of the Aga Khan) think that the whole hashisheen thing is a slur on their glorious ancestors, but this article is not the place to discuss it. AnonMoos 00:48, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Another author refers to the "Fida'in" several times in the book entitled The Black Rood, by Stephen R. Lawhead. In his fictional account of a Scottish nobleman on a personal crusade in 1132, the Fida'in are referred to several times as Hashishins. His characters refer to Feda'in as "Muslims...but of a very strict and overzealous stripe. It is their all consuming desire to unite the Muhammedans in a single observance of the Muslim faith.  To do this they are willing to dare all things - even martyrdom." I originally sought out this wiki article to see if they were in some way related to modern day Fedayeen, now I am not so certain as the name has come and gone as the need for rebellion in the middle east comes and goes. Even though this is a fictional account, it is the earliest reference to Fedayeen I have seen. Traka1967 (talk) 00:56, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

I would like to change the phrase "Zionist" to "Israelis" since the Specific section on "Palestinians" fedayeen labels the zionists when in reality they are targeting others as well. This is not meant to inflame any one side but to merely point out that suicide bombings and rockets don't tell "zionist" from "non-zionist". Also I would like to point out that the section should include something about all the other arabs that the palestinian fedayeen have targeted such as egyptian and even other palestinians who are believed to help the west.

fedaykin from Dune
I would like to add that the Fremen word for Paul Maud'dib's bodyguards "Fedaykin," from Frank Herbert's books are likely to be from the same etymology as the word Fedayeen. This is especially likely considering that many words in the Fremen language seem to derive from Arabic. However, I am not sure if it should go in this particular page. Any thoughts?Edgar Kavanagh 10:43, 4 November 2005 (UTC)Edgar Kavanagh


 * Then there are the "Feydaukin" from National Lampoon's "Doon": -- "Comedy commandos sworn to protect the person of the Mahdl-T or die laughing. Their traditional strategy involves running in and out of rooms and slamming doors, thus confusing their adversary." AnonMoos 00:48, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Arabic root means "ransom"
http://dictionary.sakhr.com/idrisidic_2MM.asp?Lang=E-A&Sub=%e6%ce%da Wortabet-Porter dictionary published by Hippocrene. To go directly to connotation of suicide or sacrifice suggests that self-immolation is fundamental value in Arab and/or Muslim culture. Chris Chrisrushlau 19:59, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Eh? The verb carries several connotations. To go from one dictionary definition entry to a sweeping statement on X suggesting anything at all suggests axe grinding. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Collounsbury (talk • contribs) 21:54, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Help?? Lost an edit button
I did a re-write of the Palestinian section; hope it is OK. But in the process, I lost the independent '(edit)' button for the section. I can now only edit this section from within the Islamic section's '(edit)' button. All sections appear to be shifted from the assigned button. Can someone fix it? CasualObserver&#39;48 (talk) 05:24, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Why we use the plural?
Look at Muslim article. We don't use the plural "Muslims". I think we should move this article to the Arabic singular, "Fida'i".--OsamaK 03:08, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't think so because the it is the Arabic plural in the genetive case that has found common usage in the English language. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.111.117.125 (talk) 01:56, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Recent changes
79.177.30.23 (talk) 12:08, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) The fact that some people interpret the word Fedayeen as "freedom fighters", even in a distinguished book, doesn't necessarily make its meaning so. A reference to a certain book does not justify any remark. For many people Fedayeen is the equivalent of terrorists, for others it is somewhere in between. The literal meaning is derived from a word which means "redemption", and its most likely meaning it "one that redeems himself", i.e. "self-sacrificer". Anything beyond that is POVized interpretation.
 * 2) If you put the Armenian spelling, you might as well put the Hebrew spelling, as this language is also relevant to the issue.
 * 3) Since neither Israel, nor Palestine properly describe the entire area of these militant groups' activity, it would be better to write Palestinians, as they are the people from which the militant groups came.
 * Why do you think there should be "Hebrew spelling"? Are there Jewish fedayeen? If you are wanting this because fedayeen may operate in or have operated in the territory of Israel, then you might as well have it also in Turkish, Russian, Farsi, and so on. It is there in Armenian because there are Armenian fedayeen, and a glaring hole in this article is that the documented usage amongst Armenians predates any of the Muslim examples mentioned in the article. 93.97.143.19 (talk) 01:25, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

To 79.177.30.23, how can you possibly say that "one that redeems himself" equals "self-sacrificer". If you really want to use "redemption" in your translation, you could say "those who redeem themselves through self-sacrifice." However, I think this translation is too long and unnecessary.If "a reference to a certain book" does not satisfy you, I recommend that you search in Google Books, "Fedayeen redeemers" and "Fedayeen self sacrificers". When I did this today (December 29th 2014) I found that the latter outnumbered the first, 153 to one. It's really hard to argue with such numbers. If this is not enough for you, please see what the following Arabic dictionaries have to say:

Mu'jam al-Sawab al-Lughawi says "one who sacrifices himself in the name of God or country (المضحي بنفسه في سبيل الله أو الوطن). Al-Wasit dictionary says "a fighter in the name of God or country who sacrifices his life" (الْمُجَاهِد فِي سَبِيل الله أَو الوطن مضحيا بِنَفسِهِ).

"Redeemers" is a very misleading translation and should be stricken from the entry."

- unlisted commenter guy — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.114.91.244 (talk) 16:25, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Romanization
Wouldn't it be more accurate to romanize this word as "Feda'iyeen" or better yet "Fida'iyeen?" There is a hamza in the middle of the word, and if you read it the way it's currently spelled, it doesn't work.

If we are going to write the singular as "Fida'i" or "Feda'i," it only makes sense to include the hamza in the pluralization. Thoughts?

West Asian?
This term is also used in North Africa - e.g. Algerian war of independence.--عبد المؤمن (talk) 13:31, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

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