Talk:Federal Convention (Germany)

Hello, I think you can remove the stub message, there is nothing more to say about the Bundesversammlung. But some historic details I can add in the next days. But first I have to refresh my English a bit, not written for many years. --Grabert 23:32, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Unlikely success
"The candidate, whose party or parties have the majority, is considered to be the likely winner and mostly, he got the majority." Have there been any cases when the public affiliation of the majority members was not reflected in the result? matturn 12:57, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. However, there are usually some "unfaithful electors" - e.g. in 2004, Horst Köhler got less votes than the total number of delegates from CDU, CSU and FDP, although these parties had pledged to vote for him. One elector even admitted publicly to voting for the "wrong" candidate.--Roentgenium111 (talk) 19:20, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The problem of the wording might be the part "have the majority". E.g. Herzog did not "have" the majority until the FDP withdrew their candidate after the second round.--Ziko (talk) 22:34, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

"lower house"
The Bundestag is not "(the lower house of Germany's parliament)". The German constitution doesn't know terms of lower or higher, there is both Bundestag = parliament and Bundesrat, which is *not* a parliament. --194.239.181.126 (talk) 17:42, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The Bundesrat and Bundestag are two chambers within the German bicameral legislature. "Lower House" is not generally an official term anywhere - it is a descriptive term occasionally used for one of the houses in a bicameral system. AndrewRT(Talk) 18:30, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * A Lower House must needs be in some way lower. If not as to power, then as to e. g. nobility. Yet the Diet ranks above the Council in every way, except the somewhat oddity that the Council's President replaces the President of the Federation - in ordinary protocol however ranks below the President of the Diet. And that is probably for avoiding a formal or semi-formal Vice-President, as this office is passed around among the governors in annual terms. --77.4.95.188 (talk) 22:33, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Rename

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was article moved to Federal Convention (Germany). Bundesversammlung articles for other countries should considered separately. Aervanath (talk) 15:09, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

The name of this article is not english! I suggest it is renamed to Federal Assembly (Germany) per policy WP:Use English. AndrewRT(Talk) 22:12, 23 May 2009 (UTC)


 * That is a guideline, not policy. Which term is used most often in English sources? — Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 23:17, 23 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Support a move to an English name per WP:UCN (Use common names) and WP:UE (Use English).

The one cited source. Deutsche Welle, uses the term "Federal Assembly." However, the term used in the Basic Law translation at http://www.bundestag.de is "Federal Convention." (here, p. 38) The Presidential website also uses "Federal Convention" as does this source.

I personally prefer "Federal Assembly" because it more clearly and precisely describes what the body is. "Federal Convention" could imply other meanings found at the convention article, e.g. a temporary convention (meeting)/political convention or a treaty. "Assembly" doesn't have this range of political connotations. But I recognize that "Federal Convention" seems to have a more sound basis in actual usage. —  AjaxSmack   03:19, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Indeed, "Assembly" is immediatly understood as a political body, while "Convention" has other meanings like a treaty. But we should stick with already existing official translations, and if "Convention" has a connotation with "temporary", the better. Ziko (talk) 10:46, 26 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment. If "Federal Convention" is more commonly used, we should stick with that. What about Bundesversammlung (Austria), Bundesversammlung (Switzerland) and Bundesversammlung (German Confederation), though? Should those be included in this move request as well? Jafeluv (talk) 08:13, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
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Federal Convention or Federal Assembly
Hello, I would like to start this discussion (again) and ask to decide on the name of this institution and also on the name of the Bundesversammlung of the German Confederation of 1815. How about using "Federal Convention" for the 1949 organ to elect a president, because "convention" sounds more like a meeting during a shorter time. And "Federal Assembly" would be great for the 1815 organ that was a permanent institution. Or, does "assembly" sounds to English native speakers more like a parliamentary organ? Then "convention" may be more suited for the 1815 organ. Opinions? Ziko (talk) 19:32, 7 January 2022 (UTC)


 * The legal translation of "Bundesversammlung" in English is "Federal Convention". I refer to the official website of the Bundestag (www.bundestag.de/en/parliament/function/federal_convention/federal_convention-201836) on which this designation is also used several times. Essixt (talk) 20:21, 30 May 2022 (UTC)