Talk:Federal Ministry of Defence (Germany)

History
The Federal Ministry of Defence is neither a successor of the Weimar Republic ministry nor any Nazi Germany military organisations. It exists for almost 55 years now and that's what might be described in the history section, not a "short history of military administration structures in Germany" since 1871. HerkusMonte (talk) 20:29, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Utterly wrong. The Federal Ministry of Defence of Germany was first established in 1919 as the Reichswehrministerium (literally, "Federal Defence Ministry"), with SPD politician Gustav Noske as the first Federal Minister of Defence of Germany. Germany did not have a defence ministry at the federal level before 1919, but the article should of course mention that the federal ministry replaced the various war ministries of the four kingdoms and the federal Reichsmarineamt. This article is about the federal defence ministry in general, not specifically about the postwar history (Federal Ministry of Defence is the proper translation of both the current and the Weimar Republic-era names of the ministry, and it's usual practice to include history of organisations even under different names, and predecessor organisations, at least in the English Wikipedia). The reason for having a history section is for explaining the origin and history of the organisation. Germany certainly had a federal defence ministry before 1955, and this belongs in the history section. I'm aware that at least the Foreign Office, and probably other federal ministries, are legally regarded as the same institutions as their Weimar Republic predecessors, as established by law in many cases (until recently, a lot of older legislation referred to the Ministry of Justice as the Reichsministerium der Justiz/Reichsminister der Justiz). But whether the Federal Ministry of Defence regards itself as a successor to the Federal Ministry of Defence really doesnt matter, because it's in historical terms the successor, being the ministry responsible for defence in the same state (at the federal level). For this reason, it cannot be ignored in this article. Urban XII (talk) 10:55, 31 October 2009 (UTC)


 * The official webpage of the Federal ministry of Defence clearly says, it was founded in 1955. Please provide a source for your claim the modern ministry is identical to the Weimar Republic ministry, everything else is simply WP:NOR.
 * Reichswehrministerium is NOT literally translated as Federal defence Ministry
 * The whole article does't provide a single source. DON'T remove the "sources needed" tag. HerkusMonte (talk) 12:16, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

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