Talk:Federal Security Service/Archive 4

FSB & KGB
It is often asserted that the FSB is the KGB in a new guise. I think this issue should be dealt with in this article. The KGB page deals with this ambiguously by talking about 'function'. We know the broad 'function' is the same, but how different is the FSB from the KGB? Is it a different organisation covering the same role (state security) or the same organisation with a few cosmetic changes?--Jack Upland 01:38, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

In all truth FSB really is the KGB in a new guise. Much of the leadership is the KGB from the cold war era, of course this is starting to change since even Russians must retire from their posts at some point in time. The KGB was essentially the CIA and the FBI mashed into one Russian version. It was the secret police of the people in power, and took care of placing agents in other countries. In the new Russia that task is now split between FSB and SVR. The operations run by these to agencies are extremely sized back, but they both serve the same purpose that the KGB aimed for. Hockeyref73 (talk) 06:15, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * An article of current bullying: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/sep/23/russia-targeting-western-diplomats . . . The news article identifies FSB as the former KGB, as noted by Hockey Referee. The respective WP articles (KGB and FSB) need to point out the relationship: history and reality. I agree with Jack Upland .!. Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 14:51, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

FSB, FAPSI, FSO
The article has several mistakes. The FAPSI was reorginized to the FSO (Федеральная Служба Охраны, something like Federal Guard Service). President's regiment is also part of the FSO, not the FSB. Only small part of FAPSI was included in FSB - for example, Communications Security Center.

Also in the FSB exists uniformed personnel (by the way FSB and FSO have similiar blue-black uniform) and civilian personnel (secretaries, consultants, technicians, cleaners and scientific and technical workers). I think that 300000 is not uniformed personnel number, but FSB total quantity--Вантус (talk) 23:19, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

FYI (don't quote me) Talkshow host Rush Limbaugh just said, "Vladimir Putin patiently awaits Obama being reelected. He was sworn in for a third term in Russia. >>> This means that Russia has a leader to the right of France. (That was joking, but true.) Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 16:51, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Para removed from lede
The last paragraph of the lede, "According to the federal law, the FSB is considered a military service just like the Armed Forces, MVD Internal Troops, FSO, SVR, FSKN and EMERCOM's civil defence." was removed without explanation. I do not see a clear statement in the article body, so I have not reverted the removal. If the paragraph is correct, that should be stated somewhere in the article body with a reference. Is it correct? --Yngvadottir (talk) 13:16, 3 March 2013 (UTC)


 * I think it is correct, mind you their border guards used military (voyenkomat) conscripted soldiers until 2008. --Niemti (talk) 19:15, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

But as a whole the article is really bad. I think it should be better to scrap it whole and replace with few sentences of driest content possible, at least there won't be an overwhelming barrage of propaganda and disinformation there this way (I removed some, but I couldn't even bring myself to really read this tripe). --Niemti (talk) 19:20, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Move?

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: Move. As "Federal Security Service" already redirects here, so disambiguation is unnecessary. Cúchullain t/ c 19:12, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Federal Security Service (Russia) → Federal Security Service –
 * disambiguation not required. ukexpat (talk) 15:04, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose. There are many federations in the world, and some of them likely have security services. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 08:50, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:NC-GAL ("Disambiguation is unnecessary...if the agency or office name is unique"). The proposed title already redirects here. --BDD (talk) 19:02, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Support. Once we have articles about other organizations by the same name, we can disambiguate this one once again. For now, disambiguation is completely unnecessary. Alternatively, I'd be OK with moving this article to "Federal Security Service of Russia", since this is the organization's full name anyway.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); May 16, 2013; 12:06 (UTC)
 * Support. I agree with Ezhiki. Nanobear (talk) 12:14, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Opposed. Sounds like a generic reference to one or more U.S. federal services. No one is going to guess this is really the FSB. The current disambiguation does seem a bit clumsy. Perhaps "Federal Security Service (FSB)" or "Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation"? Simply removing the disambiguation completely obfuscates the entity. VєсrumЬа ►TALK 02:05, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Support, per the honourable hegehog; we don't need disambiguation unless/until somebody actually writes an article about some other body called the "Federal Security Service". bobrayner (talk) 21:06, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Is this really commonly known as Federal Security Service in English? My impression is that it's more likely to be called just FSB, so FSB (Russia) might be a more recognizable alternative. (That's actually the article's original name, it seems.) This is what we do with entities like KGB and NASA which are normally known by the acronym. Jafeluv (talk) 09:05, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
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Quite a FUBAR article
Seems to be written by the FSB staffers. Someone needs to properly rewrite it, around the central role that the organization (the Cheka) plays in the Russian state and society today, including all branches of the government and the businees. And just a proper history, year by year, instead of three separate sections with "terrorism" in their titles.

On a related note, I just finished rewriting with Alpha Group (from this sorry article talking about "western bias" and what not).

Also, the article was just plain shitty enough to have stuff like " Alexandru koczynski, since 12 May 2008 Federal Security Service Prezident protected" in the list of directors. So no, it's probably not written by the FSB "information" staff officers. Maybe just by semi-literate Nashists or something. --Niemti (talk) 17:42, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

And just how to erase this bizarre "Civilian agency" from the infobox? Of course they're siloviki, not a "civilian agency". The whole article should be scrapped and written completely anew. More in the style of Littel's ''[http://web.archive.org/web/20071202005149/http://www.psan.org/sommaire307.html The Security Organs of the Russian Federation. A Brief History 1991-2004]'', which is so much more encyclopedic than this "encyclopedia article". --Niemti (talk) 17:56, 8 February 2013 (UTC)


 * The default insertion of civilian agency by the template posits that "non-military" and "non-para-military" (and non-whatever else) constitutes "civilian". That is completely incorrect given the massive mounds of scholarship on the FSB which clearly differentiates between the military, security services (FSB and predecessors), and civilian agencies. After all, the FSK (FSB predecessor) took over entire army divisions. Hardly "civilian." VєсrumЬа ►TALK 21:16, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Alleged coup organized by FSB
Starting from 1998, people from state security services came to power as Prime Ministers of Russia: a KGB veteran Yevgeny Primakov; former FSB Director Sergei Stepashin; and finally former FSB Director Vladimir Putin who was appointed in August 8 1999.

In August 7, Shamil Basaev began incursion to Dagestan which was regarded by Anna Politkovskaya as a provocation intitiated from Moscow to start war in Chechnya, because Russian forces provided safe passage for Islamic fighters back to Chechnya. It was reported that Aleksander Voloshin from Yeltsin administration paid money to Shamil Basayev to stage this military operation  (Basaev reportedly worked for Russian GRU at this time and earlier   ). In September 4 a series of four Russian apartment bombings began. Three FSB agents were caught while planting a large bomb at the basement of an apartment complex in the town of Ryazan in September 22. That was last of the bombings. Russian Minister of Internal Affairs Rushailo congratulated police with preventing the terrorist act, but FSB Director Nikolai Patrushev had declared that the incident was a training exercise just an hour later, when he had learned that the FSB agents are caught.

Next day, Boris Yeltsin received a demand from 24 Russian governors to transfer all state powers to Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, according to Sergei Yushenkov Second Chechen War began in September 24. This war made Prime Minister Vladimir Putin very popular, although he was previously unknown to the public, and helped him to win a landslide victory in the presidential elections in March 26 2000.

That was a successful coup d'état organized by the FSB to bring Vladimir Putin to power, according to former FSB officer Alexander Litvinenko, lawmaker Sergei Yushenkov, and journalist David Satter, a Johns Hopkins University and Hoover Institute scholar. All attempts to independently investigate the Russian apartment bombings were unsuccessful. Journalist Artyom Borovik died in a suspicious plane crash. Vice-chairman of Sergei Kovalev commission created to investigate the bombings Sergei Yushenkov was assassinated. Another member of this commission Yuri Shchekochikhin died presumably from poisoning by thallium. Investigator Mikhail Trepashkin hired by relatives of victims was arrested and convicted by Russian authorities for allegedly disclosing state secrets.

"Christmas Gifts" the FSB. FSB works, nor without Humor.FSB trend - distribute each year soft Eight gifts for us. Can we discuss it, perhaps?Antoin de Hoop Zweite (talk) 15:45, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

FSB as ruling political elite
According to former Russian Duma member Konstantin Borovoi, "Putin's appointment is the culmination of the KGB's crusade for power. This is its finale. Now the KGB runs the country." Olga Kryshtanovskaya, director of the Moscow-based Center for the Study of Elites, has found that up to 78% of 1,016 leading political figures in Russia have served previously in organizations affiliated with KGB or FSB. She said: "If in the Soviet period and the first post-Soviet period, the KGB and FSB people were mainly involved in security issues, now half are still involved in security but the other half are involved in business, political parties, NGOs, regional governments, even culture... They started to use all political institutions." "Like cockroaches spreading from a squalid apartment to the rest of the building, they have eventually gained a firm foothold everywhere," said Sergei Grigoryants, a Soviet dissident.

This situation is very similar to that of the former Soviet Union where all key positions in the government were occupied by members of the Communist Party. The KGB or FSB members usually remain in the "acting reserve" even if they formally leave the organization ("acting reserve" members receive second FSB salary, follow FSB instructions, and remain "above the law" being protected by the organization, according to Kryshtanovskaya ). As Vladimir Putin said, "There is no such thing as a former KGB man". GRU defector and writer Victor Suvorov explained that members of Russian security services can leave such organizations only in a coffin, because they know too much. Soon after becoming prime minister of Russia, Putin also claimed that "A group of FSB colleagues dispatched to work undercover in the government has successfully completed its first mission.".

The idea about KGB as a political force rather than a security organization has been discussed by journalist John Barron, historian Victor Suvorov, retired KGB Major General Oleg Kalugin, and Evgenia Albats, a Harvard graduate and writer on KGB subjects, who was assigned to examine the KGB archives after the failed Soviet coup attempt of 1991. According to Albats, most KGB leaders, including Lavrenty Beria, Yuri Andropov, and Vladimir Kryuchkov, have always struggled for the power with the Communist Party and manipulated the communist leaders. Moreover, FSB has formal membership, military discipline, an extensive network of civilian informants , hardcore ideology, and support of population (60% of Russians trust FSB ), which makes it a perfect totalitarian political party However the FSB party does not advertise its leading role because the secrecy is an important advantage.

With regard to death of Aleksander Litvinenko, the highest-ranking Soviet Bloc intelligence defector, Lt. Gen. Ion Mihai Pacepa stated that there is "a band of over 6,000 former officers of the KGB — one of the most criminal organizations in history — who grabbed the most important positions in the federal and local governments, and who are perpetuating Stalin’s, Khrushchev’s, and Brezhnev’s practice of secretly assassinating people who stand in their way."

Would be to complement maybe, possibly the article(item). Something about ehwige . Maybe, this is planned in such a way to educate better achievements(performances) of both services. For unconcerned ones this looks funny anyhow. The mutual(reciprocal) denigrations, up to agents remove.Volvo1-BDR-841 (talk) 16:17, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Suppression of internal dissent
Many Russian opposition lawmakers and investigative journalists have been assassinated while investigating corruption and alleged crimes conducted by FSB and state authorities: Sergei Yushenkov, ‎Yuri Shchekochikhin, Galina Starovoitova, Anna Politkovskaya, Alexander Litvinenko, Paul Klebnikov, Nadezhda Chaikova, Nina Yefimova, and many others , . Former KGB officer Oleg Gordievsky believes that murders of writers Yuri Shchekochikhin (author of "Slaves of KGB" ), Anna Politkovskaya, and Aleksander Litvinenko show that FSB has returned to the practice of political assassinations which were conducted in the past by Thirteenth KGB Department. Just before his death, Alexander Litvinenko accused Vladimir Putin of personally ordering the assassination of Anna Politkovskaya.

An increasing number of scientists have been accused of espionage and illegal technology exports by FSB during the last decade: researcher Igor Sutyagin, physicist Valentin Danilov , physical chemist Oleg Korobeinichev , academician Oskar Kaibyshev , and physicist Yury Ryzhov. Some other widely covered cases of political prosecution include investigator Mikhail Trepashkin and journalist Vladimir Rakhmankov. All these people are either under arrest or serve long jail sentences. Human rights groups also identified Mikhail Khodorkovsky as a political prisoner.

Ecologist and journalist Alexander Nikitin, who worked with Bellona Foundation, was accused of espionage. He published material exposing hazards posed by the Russian Navy's nuclear fleet. He was acquitted in 1999 after spending several years in prison (his case was sent for re-investigation 13 times while he remained in prison). Other cases of prosecution are the cases of investigative journalist and ecologist Grigory Pasko , Vladimir Petrenko who described danger posed by military chemical warfare stockpiles, and Nikolay Shchur, chairman of the Snezhinskiy Ecological Fund

Other arrested people include Viktor Orekhov, a former KGB officer who assisted Soviet dissidents, Vladimir Kazantsev who disclosed illegal purchases of eavesdropping devices from foreign firms, and Vil Mirzayanov who had written that Russia was working on a nerve gas weapon

Political dissidents from the former Soviet republics, such as Tajikistan and Uzbekistan, are often arrested by FSB and extradited to these countries for prosecution, despite to protests from international human rights organizations. Special services of Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan and Azerbaidjan also kidnap people at the Russian territory, with the implicit approval of FSB

There are credible reports that FSB use drugs to erase memory of people who had access to secret information

Criticism of anti-terrorist operations
Use of excessive force by FSB spetsnaz was criticized with regard to resolving Moscow theater hostage crisis and Beslan hostage crisis. According to Sergey Kovalev, Russian government kills its citizens without any hesitation. He provided the following examples: murdering of hostages by the poison gas during Moscow theater hostage crisis; burning school children alive by spetsnaz soldiers who used RPO flamethrowers during Beslan school hostage crisis; crimes committed by death squads in Chechnya ; and assassination of Zelimkhan Yandarbiyev. Anna Politkovskaya and Irina Hakamada, who conducted unofficial negotiations with terrorists, stated that the hostage takers were not going to use their bombs to kill the people and destroy the building during Moscow theater hostage crisis. This was supported by the subsequent events when the Chechens did not use their bombs.

It is also possible that FSB has returned to the old NKVD practice of creating puppet rebel forces, as during the Trust Operation, Basmachi Revolt, or operations against the Ukrainian Insurgent Army Former FSB officer Aleksander Litvinenko stated in a June 2003 interview, with the Australian SBS television programme Dateline, that two of the Chechen terrorists involved in the 2002 Moscow theatre hostage crisis &mdash; whom he named as "Abdul the Bloody" and "Abu Bakar" &mdash; were working for the FSB, and that the agency manipulated the rebels into staging the attack. Litvinenko said: "[w]hen they tried to find [Abdul the Bloody and Abu Bakar] among the dead terrorists, they weren't there. The FSB got its agents out. So the FSB agents among Chechens organised the whole thing on FSB orders, and those agents were released." The story about FSB connections with the hostage takers was confirmed by Mikhail Trepashkin. Yulia Latynina and other journalists also accused FSB of staging many smaller terrorism acts, such as market place bombing in the city of Astrakhan, bus stops bombings in the city of Voronezh, and the blowing up the Moscow-Grozny train, whereas innocent people were convicted or killed. Journalist Boris Stomakhin claimed that bombing in Moscow metro in 2004 was probably organized by FSB agents rather than by the unknown man who called to Kavkaz Center and claimed his responsibility. Stomakin was arrested and imprisoned for writing this and other articles.

Many journalists and workers of international NGOs are reported to be kidnapped by FSB-affiliated forces in Chechnya who pretended to be Chechen terrorists: Andrei Babitsky from Radio Free Europe, Arjan Erkel and Kenneth Glack from Doctors Without Borders, and others

According to Anna Politkovskaya, most of the "Islamic terrorism cases" were fabricated by the government, and the confessions have been obtained through the torture of innocent suspects. "The plight of those sentenced for Islamic terrorism today is the same as that of the political prisoners of the Gulag Archipelago... Russia continues to be infected by Stalinism", she said. .


 * It seems too simple and even false to say that the terrorists who took over the moscow theater were not going to use their bombs as supported by subsequent events. I'm assuming these subsequent events are referencing to the Beslan school crisis where the terrorists did use bombs; however their use is mired in controversy as seen on the Beslan wiki page.  This should be changed.Mahhag 07:46, 11 June 2007 (UTC)


 * O'K, I deleted sentence about "subsequent events" as suggestion not supported directly by references (I will have to check sources). What was meant is that terrorists actually did not not use their bombs, although they had every possibility to do this (people remained conscience during few minutes after they felt the smell of the gas).Biophys 14:44, 11 June 2007 (UTC)


 * This segment says: "Use of excessive force by FSB spetsnaz was criticized with regard to resolving Moscow theater hostage crisis and Beslan hostage crisis." It does not say that Moscow theater crisis was organized by FSB (although it was). This is now only described as claim by Litvinenko and Trepshkin. Last segment ("most of the "Islamic terrorism cases" ) is not about Moscow theater hostage crisis at all; it is about different cases. Saying that, I agree that article should be improved and will work in this direction. You comments are very welcome.Biophys 14:25, 11 June 2007 (UTC)


 * As about the essence of your question, I must tell that in both cases (Moscow theater and Beslan), a vast majority of hostages were killed by governmental forces, not by terrorists, and this is simply a matter of fact. In Beslan they used RPO flamethrowers and allegedly tank guns to fire to the school. Both articles about Moscow theater hostage crisis and Beslan must be improved.Biophys 14:39, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Alleged involvement in organized crime
Former FSB officer Aleksander Litvinenko accused FSB personnel of involvement in organized crime, such as drug trafficking and contract killings. It was noted that FSB, far from being a reliable instrument in the fight against organized crime, is institutionally a part of the problem, due not only to its co-optation and penetration by criminal elements, but to its own absence of a legal bureaucratic culture and use of crime as an instrument of state policy

International affairs
FSB collaborates very closely with secret police services from some former Soviet Republics, especially Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan The FSB is accused of working to undermine governments of Baltic states and Georgia. During 2006 Georgian-Russian espionage controversy several Russian GRU officers were accused by Georgian authorities of preparations to commit sabotage and terrorist acts. Historian J. R. Nyquist believes that "The KGB president of Russia wants to reestablish the USSR. Whether America likes it or not, this very fact leads us to a new Cold War."

Chairman of the United Nations Special Commission Richard Butler found than many Russian state-controlled companies are involved in the Oil-for-Food Programme-related fraud. As a part of this affair, former FSB Director Yevgeny Primakov had received large kickbacks from Saddam Hussein according to Butler. KGB, FSB and Russian government had very close relationships with Saddam Hussein and Iraqi Intelligence Service Mukhabarat according to Yossef Bodansky, the Director of Research of the International Strategic Studies Association.

Не, а что вы    пугаете? Ето же наши ЦРУ&ФСБ. Ну генерал прокурор заинвестировал пару евро. Ну, сколько заинвестировал столько и отдадут.Riverun2 (talk) 12:42, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Deletion of links and references
Pleas explain your deletions of links. Thanks, Biophys (talk) 20:31, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The "further reading" section is completely unnecessary and redundant, as the books are already used in the article as sources. The "external links" section is way too long. As per WP:EL: "long lists of links are not acceptable." Furthermore, the section is very unbalanced regarding POV: it only has links to criticism articles. Offliner (talk) 20:35, 21 April 2009 (UTC)


 * You removed the following links:

Books or chapters of books about the FSB

 * Yuri Felshtinsky, Alexander Litvinenko, and Geoffrey Andrews. Blowing up Russia : Terror from within. 2002. ISBN 1-56171-938-2
 * Yevgenia Albats and Catherine A. Fitzpatrick. The State Within a State: The KGB and Its Hold on Russia--Past, Present, and Future. 1994. ISBN 0-374-52738-5.
 * David Satter. Darkness at Dawn: The Rise of the Russian Criminal State. Yale University Press. 2003. ISBN 0-300-09892-8.
 * Slaves of KGB. 20th Century. The religion of betrayal (Рабы ГБ. XX век. Религия предательства), Moscow, 1999.

Links to educational web sites about Russian secret agencies

 * The Cold War International History Project (CWIHP) for the full text of former KGB officer Alexander Vassiliev's Notebooks offering evidence on Soviet espionage in the United States
 * Crash Course in KGB/SVR/FSB Disinformation and Active Measures CI Centre
 * "The Triumph of the KGB" - by Oleg Kalugin CI Centre
 * Funding for the Russian secret services Agentura.Ru
 * Terrorism prevention in Russia: one year after Beslan Agentura.Ru

Key publications on FSB influence in Russia

 * KGB old boys tightening grip on Russia BBC 22 February 2008
 * Putin Made Good on Promise to FSB. By Francesca Mereu The Moscow Times Friday, February 8, 2008. Page 1.

Others

 * Poison pins, rocks and fake logs: the secret arsenal of a long, silent war by Jeremy Page, The Times, March 02, 2006
 * Russian Secret Services' Links With Al-Qaeda AXIS Information and Analysis (AIA)
 * Russia: High-Profile Killings, Attempted Killings In The Post-Soviet Period, Radio Free Europe, October 19, 2006

Some of them are important books about FSB. Others are reviews, and not all of them were cited. Having such links is helpful for a reader.Biophys (talk) 20:44, 21 April 2009 (UTC)


 * The EL section is against El and El - "long lists of links are not acceptable." Wikipedia is WP:NOT a web directory. And like I said, the "further reading" section is completely redundant as the books are already used in the article as sources. Offliner (talk) 20:50, 21 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Most of these links are consistent with El. If you think any of them is not, please explain why.Biophys (talk) 21:08, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, I checked and sorted the links. All of them (except perhaps "others") are useful for a reader as general books or reviews on the subject. What's the problem? Biophys (talk) 20:47, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't like to repeat myself endlessly as you obviously aren't going to pay attention anyway. "What is the problem?" - read what I have said above, I have explained the problem there. Offliner (talk) 20:56, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You did not provide any arguments beyond flatly telling: "The "further reading" section is completely unnecessary and redundant".Biophys (talk) 20:59, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I guess I have no choice but to repeat myself afterl all: that section is completely unnecessary, as the books mentioned in it are already used in the article as sources. Offliner (talk) 21:05, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I can see that User:Russavia just joined you to remove some undesirable information including the famous quote  . That will be my pleasure to write down a lot more about this notable organization, as time allows.Biophys (talk) 15:40, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

About healthy competitors between great powers. Suppose a healthy FSB - GRU between competitors is not always bad. In the case of certain Kalashnikov - merchants from France FSB has jumped in time to help. This  wanted to elliminieren whole Procouroutour de Roi! Or? From other side, but also sometimes to exaggerate. Just as with a drug courier (e.g.). Exestieren but ordinary means. Yes, and. Look what came of it, the 18-s in Sirya. Belgian soldiers want to come but also dalan major help. Or? Here it must be said, previous FSB regional Shef worked more smoothly, so do intiligent. Via Chevalier's of place, always took advantage of "gloves", jugoslavenische, Hebrew. So, what miemand noticed. Yes. Transported by this stat waschington. Or ?Fergfzrgfz (talk) 20:33, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Military History Assessment
Article assessed as start class for military history. The Military History project does not use the C class at this time. --dashiellx (talk) 11:03, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

On the eve of New Year gifts. It makes sense to make the web beautiful with the link to the FSB's umbrella organizations. Recipient will know where to turn to.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Museum_of_Belgium ‎    Gial.be ... Weinachtsmann2 (talk) 19:00, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Total mistake in this article (History)
The Cheka was first organization in the FSB history. Beginning of the FSB is 1917 year, December 20 (other history does not exist in the nature). - Mros4554 (talk) 00:33, 3 May 2015 (UTC).

Overfocusing on criticism and conspiracy theories
I think this article is overfocusing on the various conspiracy theories about FSB. We should concentrate mainly on describing the organization - on factual, uncontroversial information. Currently the article tries to advance the theory "Russia is an evil FSB-controlled totalitarian state" in almost every chapter. The material comes from a few conspiracy theory books, such as the one by Litvinenko and Felshtinsky (both are associates of the anti-Kremlin oligarch Berezovsky, and the books and documentaries are financed by him.) But the book is not really an academic source, so we should over overrely on it. I agree that the conspiracy theories should be discussed, but currently we are giving them too much space in relation to other things. Offliner (talk) 03:54, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I still think this article is hugely biased. It's not really an article about the FSB, it's an article about criticism of FSB. Offliner (talk) 09:06, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Virtually half the article is based on unsubstantiated claims and conspiracies. Not acceptable for an encyclopedia, although considering this is wikipedia, not surprising either. LokiiT (talk) 08:40, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think it is a conspiracy—but details do need to be substantiated or removed. Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 01:31, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm just going to do exactly that - some of the information were indeed based on hearsay and unsourced (like the alleged Putin's phrase "there are no former Chekists") but majority of the information in the former criticism section was pretty well sourced and valid. This 2009 deletion brought this article to a rather absurd state, where the Russian FSB seems to be apparrently the only security service in the world that is not controversial and criticised —just have a look at Central Intelligence Agency or List of Israeli assassinations for comparison, how huge the criticism sections are for these agencies. In fact, FSB faces huge criticism from within Russia, not only for large scale operations where their operatives were actually arrested (Russian apartment bombings) but also for petty crime, extortions and bribery —and all that needs to be properly documented here. Kravietz (talk) 09:41, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia User's ala FSB&GRU Protector's
eg User .which is a, possibly, interesting completion195.244.180.59 (talk) 13:55, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

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Moscow lawyer who met Trump Jr. had Russian spy agency as client
Looking for section; https://www.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-moscow-lawyer-met-trump-jr-had-russian-131728779--sector.html

"...The documents show that the lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya, successfully represented the FSB's interests in a legal wrangle over ownership of an upscale property in northwest Moscow between 2005 and 2013..."

--Wikipietime (talk) 13:42, 21 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Sorry Wikipietime, I don't follow - what are you looking for? AdventurousSquirrel (talk) 01:38, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

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