Talk:Federico García Lorca/Archive 1

GLBT category
UtherSRG, was your reversion of "Category:Gay, lesbian or bisexual people" an objection to the use of the category in general, or a claim that it doesn't apply? I don't think there is much question about García Lorca's being gay or bisexual, although I do doubt the utility of the category. Still, if you want to object to the category as such, the place to fight that should presumably either be the categories talk page or to put the category itself up for a vote on VFD. I'm not restoring it, because I don't particularly like the category (although if there is to be such a category I think García Lorca is an uncontroversial inclusion). -- Jmabel 23:46, Aug 14, 2004 (UTC)

Speech given where?
User:Deisenbe, who seems by his edits to know the topic, encountered a place where the article said, "&hellip;his famous speech on The Theory and Function of the Duende, first given in Havana in 1933 and commented (in the text) "This isn't right - he was in Havana in 1930, only. Is Buenos Aires meant?". I've cut the comment to here and removed the remark about Havana from the article. If someone has a citation on where and when the speech was first given, feel free to correct and restore. -- Jmabel | Talk 05:26, September 1, 2005 (UTC)

Columbia University
I think that Lorca graduated from Columbia University in 1929. Should this be added to article? See link in Columbia Daily Spectator. Matanariel 15:40, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Poetry sample
Putting a two-line quotation from Pequeño poema infinito at the beginning adds nothing to the article: it's not especially representative of his work, it says nothing particular about him, his style as a poet or his influences or interests. Siting it at the beginning of the article is also jarring and potentially confusing to readers as it lacks any kind of context. We also already link prominently to a collection of Lorca quotations on Wikiquote. All in all, I think it's totally unnecessary (and tending to unhelpful). --ⁿɡ͡b Nick Boalch \ talk 22:15, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, it's sth he wrote, so i think it is representative. Just one person (you) in several wikipedias thinks it's not necessary, and of course you removed what somebody has done without consulting, but well, that's sth very representative of the all-knowing wikipedians in the English wikipedia. I think it's always necessary a sample of poetry in articles about poets, and this sample is quite representative of his poetry, besides, some writers have used this quote, for instance Almudena Grandes in Castillos de cartón. I wouldn't trust wikiquote that much, if you see French wikiquote, you will see it's not updated anymore because of problems with copyrights (Avril 2006 : le Wikiquote francophone est supprimé suite à des problèmes juridiques (une partie du contenu était en violation de certains droits d'auteur et de citation). By the way, i thought you changed the quote to wikiquote, but i didn't see it...Gaudio 08:35, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, let's dispose of the straw men first:
 * Just because 'it's something he wrote' doesn't make it appropriate to include in an encyclopaedia about him as a sample of his work. For instance, he also wrote 'Me encuentro muy bien y estudiando bastante y preparando varias cosas de inter&eacute;s para m&iacute;' (letter to his family, March 1921, picked from opening a random page of the Obras completas) and there's no reason to put that in the article.
 * We're not discussing the Wikipedias for other languages. Other Wikipedias have widely differing standards and behaviour. Neither are we talking about other Wikiquotes, and the situation of the French wikiquote is thoroughly irrelevant.
 * Ok, now that we've got those out of the way, I hope we can proceed with a more rational discussion. The question we should address is what this adds to the article. Since dumping it at the start of the article gives it no context, and as a quotation it doesn't in any way encapsulate Lorca's style or poetic leanings, it seems to me that the answer is 'nothing'. --ⁿɡ͡b Nick Boalch \ talk 08:46, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * First, it's a poem he wrote, of course we cannot put his lista de la compra: cuarto de chope, una docena de huevos, tres litros de leche, .... And second, i have made articles in several wikipedias and you guys have a great problem with interlinguistic coordination, all the things we write can be read by everybody in every country, so what is illegal in one wikipedia, it's illegal in all wikipedias, and please do not start telling me things about linguistic limitations, because English wikiquote, for instance, has quotes in French. I told you that this poem can be representative of his works, it deals with his problems to have a couple, and actually its title is Pequeño poema infinito (Small Infinite Poem), so the situation which inspired him to write that poem was a situation he lived very very often. And as i told you this quote has been used by later writers, but well, after all you wrote, if you consider me an idiot, i don't know why you want my opinionGaudio 09:35, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Straw men again, I'm afraid: I've not claimed anything about 'linguistic limitations' on Wikiquote, and I've certainly never said that I consider you an idiot. Please don't put words into my mouth. 'What is illegal in one wikipedia, it's illegal in all wikipedias' is also not entirely accurate: different Wikipedias have different standards, processes and policies.
 * This also isn't an issue of 'interlinguistic coordination'. It would be entirely the right thing for the quotation to be there if it improved the article. It doesn't. --ⁿɡ͡b Nick Boalch \ talk 13:58, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Andalusian
I see continuous mistakes in many articles when spelling ANDALUCÍA in English. It is ANDALUSIA and andaluz is ANDALUSIAN. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ruedasox (talk • contribs) 22 August 2006.

Categorizing execution
Was his execution considered extrajudicial? If so, he should not be categorized in Category:People executed by firing squad. __meco 11:32, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Fragment
The sentence that begins "García Lorca's stay in America.." is a fragment... FYI to the page's regulars. I didn't take a crack at it.. 68.122.32.114 20:26, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Naming convention for titles of plays in separate articles
Hello all. This pages doesn't appear to be very active, but I thought I'd ask a question anyhow.

Having grouped Lorca under the category Modernist Drama, Theatre and Performance, I've noticed that there doesn't appear to be a subcategory for him; either for the Category of Plays by Nationality/Spanish plays or for Plays by author/Federico Garcia Lorca plays. So I've decided to create the relevant pages, but have now noticed that the separate articles on Lorca's plays do not appear to conform to the Wiki standard of naming articles that are titles of plays by non-English-speaking dramatists in their most-commonly-used English translation, rather than their original title. Is there a reason for this? Thanks, DionysosProteus 19:50, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Final return to Granada
>>> When war broke out in 1936, García Lorca left Madrid for Granada

This is a plain mistake. Everybody interested in García Lorca knows (should know) that he left Madrid just after José Calvo Sotelo murder (July 13, 1936) but before the beginning of the Spanish Civil War (July 18, 1936). Most precissely on July 15.

I will fix this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.42.232.175 (talk) 16:34, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Died
I think that It is better to say simply that he died in the Spanish Civil War, it's not necessary to write that decree killed it, is of badly taste.--85.152.177.217 (talk) 17:52, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Relationship with Dali?
I could have sworn that this man was once Slavador Dali's lover... I read it somewhere... I'll look into it I guess. Twitterpated. (talk) 23:39, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Lorca made sexual advances towards him, but Dali was a genophobic virgin at the time and was quite shocked. They were, however, roommates for a while. Copana2002 (talk) 14:46, 14 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah I definitely heard that. I thought they actually slept with each other at one point, and that's when Dali became "genophobic"...hmm..Twitterpated. (talk) 22:26, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Exhumation
According to the BBC, the Lorca family has given permission to exhume his body. However, I'm not sure if this is notable until they actually do find and exhume his body. Copana2002 (talk) 17:14, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Lorca and Politics
I have added: "However, Lorca was apolitical and it is indisputable that Lorca had friends in both Republican and Nationalist camps. The Basque poet and Communist Gabriel Celaya wrote in his Memoirs that he once found Lorca in the company of Phalangist José Maria Aizpurua and that Lorca told him that he dined with Falangist leader, José Antonio Primo de Riviera, in whose company Celaya had once found him previously, every Friday.[8]" after previous attempts to make the point were deleted without comment. I feel the wiki entry should explore the ambiguity of the times, I also think that some reference/cite MUST be provided to demonstrate that Lorca actually supported the Popular Front...Lorca was savaged in the Republican press on 18 July 1936 for having left Madrid and his friend Alberti was criticized by the liberal Ramon Perez de Ayala for going to the airwaves with an attack on the putchists, which he falsely attributed to Lorca. Lorca's dedicated foes were not the revolutionaries and radicals of the Falange but traditional conservatives like the civilian governor of Grenada, Jose Valdes Guzman. After being attacked by Nationalist militia, Lorca actually sought refuge with Falangist friends.99.240.142.65 (talk) 23:53, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

POV?

 * "There was huge controversy in the late 1910's when many considered him homosexual, thus his plays bieng largely based around women to mask his sexuality"

I think the statement above is P.O.V. It suggests that we can somehow 'know' that Lorca wrote about women because he wanted to hide his sexuality, when the work I've read suggests a far more nuanced reading than this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.169.139.244 (talk) 14:03, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree; unless there are sources where people suggest that he was writing about women to mask his homosexuality; even though to state such would be to make an assumption no one can prove or disprove without a quote by the author, if that is what the contraversy was about, then it does belong in the article. Mrathel (talk) 14:05, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Not a C class article
I think this is not a C class article at present. It can use more fleshing still, but it certainly works well as a good overview of his life and works, in my op. I have done some copy editing for grammar and fluency. I've taken out the broken links and generally cleaned it up a little. Can we resubmit it? Spanglej (talk) 01:39, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Borges opinion of Lorca
I removed this new chunk because it seems a long section of opinion based on a one hour conversation Borges had with Lorca. It doesn't seem to add anything substantive - all that I get from this is that he didn't like Lorca. It also probably infringes copyright because its so long.

In an interview during the 1960s, Argentine writer Jorge Luis Borges was asked about Lorca's iconic status. He responded, "'I suppose he had the good luck to be executed, no? I had an hour's chat with him in Buenos Aires. He struck me as a kind of play actor, no? Living up to a certain role. I mean, being a professional Andalusian... But in the case of Lorca, it was very strange bcause I lived in Andalusia and the Andalusians aren't a bit like that. His were stage Andalusians. Maybe he thought that in Buenos Aires he had to live up to that character, but in Andalusia, people are not like that. In fact, if you are in Andalusia, if you are talking to a man of letters and you speak to him about bullfights, he'll say, 'Oh well, that sort of this pleases people, I suppose, but really the torero works in no danger whatsoever. Because they are bored by these things, because every writer is bored by the local color in his own country. Well, when I met Lorca, he was being a professional Andalusian... Besides, Lorca wanted to astonish us. He said to me that he was very troubled about a very important figure in the contemporary world. A character in whom he could see all the tragedy of American life. And then he went on in this way until I asked him who was this character and it turned out this character was Mickey Mouse. I suppose he was trying to be clever. And I thought, 'That's the kind of thing you say when you are very, very young and you want to astonish somebody.' But after all, he was a grown man, he had no need, he could have talked in a different way. But when he started in about Mickey Mouse being a symbol of America, there was a friend of mine there and he looked at me and I looked at him and we both walked away because we were too old for that kind of game, no? Even at that time."

When asked for his opinion of Lorca's poetry, Borges continued, "'Well, [Lorca had] a gift for gab. For example, he makes striking metaphors, but I think he makes striking metaphors for him, because I think that his world was mostly verbal.I think that he was fond of playing words against each other, the contrast of words, but I wonder if he knew what he was doing." Ref: ^ Richard Burgin, Conversations with Jorge Luis Borges, Holt, Rhinehart, & Winston, 1968. Pages 93-94. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spanglej (talk • contribs) 23:15, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Music with the poems og F G Lorca
The Romancero gitano should be more extensively described as perhaps his best Work. The music by Mario Castelnuovo-Tedesco which outstandigly completes the poems should be mentioned. Björn Bernersen   bjorn.bernersn@gmail.com  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.91.34.127 (talk) 20:48, 19 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Go for it - add detail! Spanglej (talk) 00:10, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Censorship
Sad that the article fails to discuss the ongoing censorship of Lorca's work. It's difficult to understand his life, death and work without recognizing the ongoing obliteration. These links may prove helpful to someone:  "They never found me? No. They never found me." Twang (talk) 06:54, 6 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Feel free to add in the sourced details. I'm not sure it's sad, so much as missing (as much is at the moment). Spanglej (talk) 17:33, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

split off works based on Lorca listing
I move to split off "works based on Garcia Lorca" to a separate article in a bid to start a clean up. Other articles in this manner include Cultural depictions of Joan of Arc, Edgar Allen Poe, Sherlock Holmes and Alexander the Great. Any objections? Spanglej (talk) 01:10, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Re the above message I will remove the "works based on Garcia Lorca" section as nobody has commented. Spanglej (talk) 03:51, 27 August 2010 (UTC)


 * You might consider a "Bibliography" article, in line with the treatment of other writers on Wikpedia, but a list of works in the main article should remain - it's a basic expectation for the casual browser that shouldn't require a subsequent link. DionysosProteus (talk) 14:26, 28 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, the list of works would remain, sure. I'm not at all sure "Works based on Lorca" would serve a purpose as an trivia list article. Best wishes Spanglej (talk) 18:35, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Biography
Would a biography section be to add?  Liam98 7   17:05, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Self-exile
Nowhere in this article is Lorca's self-exile to NY mentioned. I'm trying to research causes for this exile (pressure under the dictatorship, his political views, homosexuality, etc.) and I think it would be helpful to mention this as an important stage in his life. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.189.109.69 (talk) 03:37, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Name of Federico García Lorca's lover emerges after 70 years
"Name of Federico García Lorca's lover emerges after 70 years". Span (talk) 23:20, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Circumstances of Lorca's death
Spanglej would prefer our lead-in paragraph to state that Lorca 'may have been shot' during the Spanish Civil War (see, ), claiming there is 'no conclusive evidence' to support the firmer phrasing 'was shot'. On the contrary, the accounts by Ian Gibson (The Assassination of Federico García Lorca, 1983), Leslie Stainton (Lorca: A Dream of Life, 1999) and others present a large body of evidence, including eyewitness acccounts, that give us a solid and well-researched account of the events. Spanglej, can you point to any example of a serious scholar disputing the general circumstances of Lorca's death? If not, saying 'was' instead of 'may have been' is completely in line with published scholarship and what the article should state. --Nine Tail Fox \ talk 11:26, 13 June 2012 (UTC)


 * In the absence of any commentary from Spanglej, I've gone ahead and restored the article to its former phrasing. --Nine Tail Fox \ talk 18:15, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

'List of works based on Lorca'
I'm not sure that this section, while expansive, actually adds much to the article. It has a negative impact on readability and in general we have a preference for keeping lists embedded in articles as short as possible. I'm wondering if there is consensus to move it to a separate list article (e.g. 'List of works based on Federico García Lorca') per WP:SPLITLIST. Any thoughts? --Nine Tail Fox \ talk 09:39, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Critical Works
I notice that the only critical work listed for this article is my own book Apocryphal Lorca. While I am glad that my book is listed, I think there are many other books. I am not the best person to contribute to this article since a lot of what I would say would be "original research."

Jonathan Mayhew — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.5.80.73 (talk) 16:40, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

List
User:Nine Tail Fox/List of works based on Federico García Lorca has been in sandbox for ages, and Nine Tail Fox seems to have retired for the time being. Is it of any use? No. Jamesx12345 21:38, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Motives for Lorca's Assassination
An official report recently brought to light by Ian Gibson confirms that the government of Granada ordered Lorca's execution for being a homosexual, a mason and a Socialist. cadenaser.com/programa/2015/04/23/hoy_por_hoy/1429768693_908931.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.20.211.90 (talk) 09:27, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

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Add other works?
I know almost nothing about Lorca, but apparently he has a poem referenced in a popular book. The Lorca poem is "City That Does Not Sleep". Should that be added to the list of poems? It's referenced here: Bob Enyart, Denver KGOV radio host (talk) 23:43, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

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A Butterfly's Evil Spell
Should this article put in that "A Butterfly's Evil Spell" was first produced in Madrid? Vorbee (talk) 08:18, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, if you have a good ref you can add. Anna (talk) 10:47, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

Salvador Dali
I thought I heard on In Our Time on July 4 2019 that Lorca knew Salvador Dali, but Dali does not appear mentioned in the article. Vorbee (talk) 08:26, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Dali is already mentioned. Anna (talk) 10:47, 4 July 2019 (UTC)