Talk:Felicity Smoak (Arrowverse)

Conflict of guidelines
There seems to be a conflict of guidelines between Manual of Style/Television and WikiProject Fictional characters/Style guide, which this article was recently converted to match. The former one better follows how Wikipedia handles fictional data - it firsts presents the story or plot then it details the out-of-universe aspects of it - see Arrow (TV series), Arrow (season 7) and Pilot (Arrow). It's also worth pointing out that WikiProject Fictional characters/Style guide isn't really a guideline with community consensus. --Gonnym (talk) 10:24, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm the editor who converted the structure of the article. In doing so, I consulted both the style guides above. I noted that Manual of Style/Television does not recommend a specific layout, instead giving guidance to the potential sections and content therein. The advice given at that style guide is: "When creating an article on a single character of a television show, note that the section headers below are not mandatory, and various good and featured articles on fictional characters have different section headers (and placement) than one another. Find the structure that works best for the article in question; regardless of whether you use these headers, the information that they discuss is important to establishing an article with real world context." Following on from this I looked through various featured and good character articles to establish which layouts are used and considered good practice, of which there were a variety of layouts. Consulting WikiProject Fictional characters/Style guide, the appearances section was listed after characterization, a format many of the aforementioned articles followed. Looking at both the talk page and history of that guide, although not very active, there did not seem to be conflict/disagreement regarding the layout prescribed. Finally, I looked through Manual_of_Style/Writing_about_fiction, which again had no specific layout guideline, but emphasized the importance of real-world context. Looking at the exceptional articles listed there, again a variety of formats are used, and in the case of Pauline Fowler, no separate storyline/appearance section is given at all. I felt that the background given in the characterization section was sufficient contextualization as an introduction to the reader less familiar with the subject. In order to ensure that the article acts as an encyclopedic record, rather than a 'wiki-style' character page, placing the storylines/appearance sections after real-world context (which includes fictional elements in order to provide more context) seemed to work best for the article. A lot of articles related to the Arrowverse over emphasize narrative over content. My main aim was to ensure that the latter was emphasized in importance over the former. AutumnKing (talk) 15:40, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Felicity and Volume 2
The source given for Felicity features in several chapters of the series, which were later included in Arrow:Vol 2, the second of two volumes collating the original chapters. is. Can you explain how Felicity features in several chapters of the series, which were later included in the second volume of the comic series. doesn't say that? --Gonnym (talk) 13:16, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * My issue was that reading the paragraph as a whole (DC announced in September 2012 that it would be publishing a tie-in comic to accompany the series, to be released initially as digital chapters, and then later be collated to produce monthly print issues. Felicity features in several chapters of the series, which were later included in Arrow:Vol 2, the second of two volumes collating the original chapters.) the change reads as though these chapters are collated in one of the print issues referenced in the first sentence, which is not the case. The second sentence is referencing the two volumes which would be more accurately referred to as graphic novels than a comic series and are something distinct from the aforementioned publications. They were published in 2013 and 2014 respectively as Arrow:Vol 1  which collated issues 1-5 of those original print issues plus the preview comic, and Arrow:Vol 2  which collated the rest. The chapters with Felicity in are all in the second volume. AutumnKing (talk) 13:58, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * The problem with that is that "volume" is not an "issue". Do the "chapters" in Felicity features in several chapters of the series refer to issues? If so, say so, as "chapter" is not a comic book term. Once that is corrected, using the word "volume" cannot mean anything else. I propose then: Felicity features in several issues of the comic series. These issues were later included in the second volume of the comic series. Also, as a side note, you keep writing Arrow:Vol 2 when that isn't the name that appears in the source you use, which is Arrow: Volume 2. --Gonnym (talk) 15:54, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * You are right that the comics themselves say 'Volume'. I was originally copying the titles directly from the DC source, which listed it as 'Vol'.. I have no issue either way. As for the use of the term 'chapters' that is how they are referred to in the original press release. It is also how they are titled on the digital covers . The references provided are to each of the digital chapters, where the stories first appeared, not to the subsequent print issues. To answer your questions, I am not equating a volume with an issue. Two books were released, in 2013 and 2014 respectively, as Volume 1 and Volume 2. These are not issues. To refer them as such would be incorrect and as I have pointed out, create confusion with the actual comic issues that were produced. No, the chapters do not refer to issues. 36 digital chapters, named as such, were released in 2012-2013 and the references are to these. Chapters may not be a commonly used comic book term, but it is the one used in this instance. AutumnKing (talk) 17:05, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I have reworded both sentences slightly, in order to clarify the meaning and hopefully make the distinction between the digital chapters, print issues and published volumes more clear. AutumnKing (talk) 15:40, 11 December 2019 (UTC)