Talk:Felipe Calderón/Archive 2

Move to "President FC"
Why was FC moved to "President FC". Shouldn't we be consistent with Bush's entry, which is not found under "President GWB", or Sarkozy's entry, not found under "President N Sarkozy"?

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.211.10.72 (talk) 04:14, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Mexico flood response
This deserves to be mentioned.. -- F3rn4nd0 (Roger - Out) 17:17, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Calderon has a master degree?
The following should be cleared... After growing up in Morelia, Calderón moved to Mexico City, where he received a bachelor's degree in law from the Escuela Libre de Derecho. Later on, he received a master's degree in economics from the Instituto Tecnológico Autónomo de México (ITAM) and a Master of Public Administration from the John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University.[3]

Calderon probably studied at Harvard University, however he did not get Master of Public Administration. The reference uses as a source the same mexican government, where there are a lot of examples of people using false degrees. (Fox said that he had the same master degree). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.141.101.54 (talk) 07:01, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
 * "President Calderon was a Mason Fellow at the Kennedy School and graduated with a Master in Public Administration (MPA) in 2000." Source: Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government Esteban Zissou (talk) 06:13, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Protection
This article has been attacting a lot of vandalism recently (and a lot of it is not reverted quickly). Perhaps it is better to semiprotect this page. Mixcoatl (talk) 23:17, 15 March 2008 (UTC). User Clowdi edited part of the introduction on March 07, 2011, after he found a corrupted passage that stated "Calderon thief the election."

Drug War and Drug Prohibition
Although Felipe Calderon is conservative on social issues like abortion, euthanasia, and gay marriage what is his stance on the drug war and drug prohibition in general? Even Vicente Fox who is from similar party circles saw the policy as a huge problem to the country in general; given the cartels and all. He was even about to legalize small amounts of illegal drugs until the US government pressured them otherwise. Does Calderon have a plan himself concerning prohibition? What has he said in public concerning this? He claims to be against authoratarianism and claims to represent political freedom. Wonder whether this is really true. Zachorious (talk) 20:43, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know if you read Spanish but according to this famous interview he is against drug legalization. Later on he backtracked in most of what he said, so is hard to tell whether he was 100% sincere or just paying lip-service to his conservative base when running behind in the polls. Esteban Zissou (talk) 06:13, 5 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually I was wrong. According to Reuters, he just sent a bill to decriminalize small-time drug use (including cocaine, heroin, methamphetamine, opium and marijuana. See Mexico seeks to decriminalize small-time drug use. -Esteban Zissou (talk) 21:11, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

What is "contralinea" magazine?
What type of source is that? Who knows that magazine? Who publishes it?

That's why I deleted that paragraph —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.33.138.2 (talk) 22:28, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Recent edits and commentary
In the last day I've made several reversions to new content in the article, , because the additions have constituted unsourced POV, or personal commentary, and as such are not acceptable. Especially on biographical and political subjects it is necessary to provide credible references to support any claims. JNW (talk) 02:29, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

pseudo free trade
Article affirms repeatedly that Calderon and his political party are pro free trade. Free trade would encompass major industries like agriculture and textiles, but USA has enormous trade distortions like their subsidies to their farming. Also, the father of economics, Adam Smith, considered the free movement of labor a part of free trade, which evidently is not present in NAFTA. DTMGO (talk) 02:32, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * There is no intent to argue the merit of these points, only to underscore the necessity to support changes with credible published sources. JNW (talk) 02:40, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

OK I will find sources to backup something that is fairly obvious and common sense to many. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DTMGO (talk • contribs) 02:43, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Here is to those that believe that you can mention that Calderon is a practicing Roman Catholic because they found a source
Religion is a personal matter, and it can hardly, if ever be proven, if someone is practicing any given religion in their personal life.

It is also very hard to believe, and not common sense, that a head of state of a 100+ million country can observe Catholic doctrine with the type of job he has. Just look at everyday newspapers, a lot of problems are his responsibility both legally and morally.

In general you can only say that a person is a member or believes in any given religious body, but not that they practice the religion. --DTMGO (talk) 03:04, 27 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I have no axe to grind here regarding whether Calderon is or is not a "practicing" Roman Catholic (whatever "practicing" might mean in that context). This comment states my opinion in light of my understanding of Editing policy.


 * The article as it currently stands says, "As a member of the Roman Catholic faith, Calderón opposes abortion, euthanasia, and gay marriage.", supporting that assertion by citing . That cited source appears to be a catholic-focused advocacy site&mdash;probably not the most reliable source in the world, but probably not too shabby on this point. The cited article on that site quotes Inter Press Service News Agency (IPS) as describing Calderon saying: "He is known to be a devout, conservative Catholic, attending daily mass, and has not shied from acknowledging his stances against abortion, condom use, homosexual relations and euthanasia.". This is following on a WP:edit war alternating descriptions of Calderon between "a self-denominated" and "a practicing" Roman Catholic. If we are picking nits here, the article would probably be better off to describe Calderon as a "devout, conservative Catholic", echoing the description in the cited supporting source. Anyone interested in verifying the IPS story can do so here, but a subscription is required. I have not verified that story, but I do see that it has been widely quoted.


 * It is important to note here that, with a supporting source cited, Wikipedia is not asserting details about the degree of Calderon's commitment to his religion, Wikipedia is asserting that the cited supporting source reported some assertions about that. Wikipedia should report those assertions accurately. If some other source of equal reliability challenges those assertions, Wikipedia should report both sides, identifying the sources on each side inline in the article prose. See Verifiability, and please take particular note of the lead sentence there.. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 01:59, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Felipe Calderón, in 2012, in a tv program, accepted himself that he actually is not only a member (not a minister) of the Roman Catholic Church, but that he also practiced religion; of course, not that public 'cause it is a personal aspect. Check here
 * --187.206.202.145 (talk) 10:49, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Oudated information on murder rates.
The source for the murder rates in the last two pragraphs of the Security Policy section could be outdated as they are based, as the link says on "on United Nations 2008 data." Murders serioulsy increased on that same year, so I think that section must be revised and their source updated. They could be biased.Besides the article doesn't quote the actual investigation or the actual UN data —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fredegis (talk • contribs) 07:09, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Outdated (and probably biased) information on Domestic policy.
The last paragraph on the Domestic Policy section quotes the opinon of Mexican scholar Denisse Dresser praising Calderón's first year of administration. Dresser is now one of the harshest critics of Calderón's policies so I added the following:

She also pointed out that he had been forced to make important political concessions, which may have long-term negative consequences for democracy in Mexico. [34] Later, Denise Dressers's opinions on Felipe Calderón's administration swiftly became increasingly critical as reflected in an open letter published on September 2008 where she withrawed her former praises an claimed that President Calderón had made many wrong decisions by joining forces with what she called the "defenders of statu quo" (PRI,SNTE)losing the authority dose he had won on his first year of Administration. [35]

Help improve this section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fredegis (talk • contribs) 07:16, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

One assessment would be sufficient, if she changes her opinions dramatically we cannot add everything about her and cite her excessively. If you object to her initial assessment, at most I would find removing such assessment reasonable. Excessive praise and harsh criticism are both non-neutral. Although her initial assessment was positive and not one of the most positive (as her second is described as one of the harshest) then her inconsistent is given due consideration in removing the first as well.Studentteacher1 (talk) 19:00, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Biased Intro/Overview
the opening paragraphs sound biased and and resemble propagando, does any else think this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.196.63.168 (talk) 00:46, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Bias in the Lead Section
I find the third paragraph in the lead section to the article to be very biased, particularly in the facts that are chosen and the way they are presented. It should not contain a comparison to Vicente Fox, the facts that are chosen appear to be hand-picked as to present a very positive image of his government and are presented with a lot of numbers, while the drug war, probably the most controversial part of his mandate, is presented without numbers, and without mentioning the controversy. Can we make it a little more fair and with more relevant figures?

I think that instead of mentioning numbers of hospitals, secure spots for kids 6 to 11 years old, numbers of universities created, and km of highways created, a random "office for social aid victims" he created, we should have something like GDP growth, change in world ranking in quality of education, change in world ranking of communication (telecom and roads) if there is such a figure, mention the controversy over the drug war, change/world rankings in murder rates and journalist safety, growth/ranking in foreign investment. Figures that paint a more accurate picture. Is there a reason that these facts were chosen? If not, I'd like to rewrite it in a non-biased way. -Solid Reign (talk) 16:19, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

I partially agree, as the statements on the third paragraph in the lead section were not part of a summary, so that part was moved to domestic policy. Whoever added those facts, however, did cite the sources and are appropriate references to his Domestic Policy. A biography should be neutral and a biography of a famous politician should also take special care to avoid the negative commentary that goes with such high profile positions. Living persons and heads of state tend to require more care in wikipedia as per common wiki guidelines. Studentteacher1 (talk) 07:52, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Current lawsuit against Calderón before theICC should be mentioned
I strongly believe that the recent lawsuit against Felipe Calderón for human rights violation, carried out by Netzai Sandoval, should be included in his page. The fact that such an event is not mentioned while the approval ratings from 2009 are indeed present violates, in my opinion, wikipedia's following of everyday happenings.

Here is a link with the information in English: http://www.latestcnnnews.com/mexico-president-calderon-sued-in-international-criminal-court-for-human-rights-violation.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marsinche (talk • contribs) 22:02, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

rat men this guy is a rat — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.66.106.34 (talk) 08:08, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

the real name is FECAL — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.66.106.59 (talk) 07:08, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

QUESTIONABLE--

It would be correct to indicate that during the term of this president have taken desciciones highly questionable, for while in your country, there are more than 60 million poor in extreme conditions, Calderon has been concerned more for supporting your political party PAN, in view to the next election 2012 in Mexico. And in fact in March 2012 during the visit Benedict XVI excessive resources were allocated as a week before an earthquake of 7.4 Richter º left thousands of homeless families in Guerrero, creating an atmosphere of anger and frustration in their village. Thank you.--200.66.106.59 (talk) 04:42, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I would recommend to add the info once the whole process is concluded (so we can have a whole range of sources on the situation), rather than starting it right now. However, I won't hurt if you guys start it now, too (but I would recommend a separate article for that issue). Just remember that Wikipedia also aims for a neutral point of view (see WP:POV), so FCH and his side should be included as well. Now, in regards to the expenses used during the visit of the pope, that is questionable, mainly because it was the state of Guanajuato and some of its municipalities who accepted to use state money to fund the visit, not necessarily FCH. In addition, there were several organizations that also gave money to fund the visit, and the fact the pope's visit generated labor and tourism. Let's aim for a neutral stance, if possible. Thank you. ComputerJA (talk) 06:08, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

ok, I see it is clear that especially the figure of Calderon from a neutral point of view, but this is more neutral, if there will be questioned about some points, and not wait until he leaves office, then if speak freely, do not defend the indefensible, this man openly shown that there is partial with respect to the electoral process, for example, the so-called drug war has left more dead than the war in Afghanistan, and the worst is that in Mexico you can freely get a marijuana cigarette anywhere, and with respect to expenditure that the government itself manages and provides, the IFE has spent millions of pesos, more than in previous years, then without going into controversy, it is assumed that the government should be austere, and better use of that fund millionaire sierra Tarahumara, or to reconstruct Pinotepa Nacional, and could continue ...... I leave to your judgment, a special greeting from harvard.--200.66.106.59 (talk) 08:33, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I was simply replying to the comment you left here on the talk page, and now you completely changed the subject. As for the "partial respect of the electoral process," I don’t know if you mean about the presidential scandals of 2006 or the allegations he has been accused of by his opposition prior to the presidential elections of 2012. Remember that the National Action Party equally defended the accusations, and it was decided that Calderón was not to be sanctioned (of course, for a reason—and we need to find that out). In addition, the PRI and the PRD were accused by their opposition too; but it is not my job to decide if it was rightfully or unrightfully. We simply explain what happened, and try to give both sides equal consensus.


 * Now, in regards to the Mexican Drug War, instead of simply attacking Calderón’s security strategy, we should also include how the single-party hegemony of the PRI regime played a role in the development of the illegal drug trade. Washington’s hard line tactics to capture kingpins and the pressure they put on Latin American countries should also be included. If you ask me, when Calderón took office in 2006 and set troops to Michoacán, that was only the "tip of the iceberg" in understanding Mexico’s criminal underworld.


 * Thanks for your time. ComputerJA (talk) 15:32, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Now it turns out that this man is faultless and excellent president, and each and every one of his acts have been right, not about which party they are, greens, yellows, reds all are and have been the same, inefficient! 60 million can not be wrong. The Constitution itself points out, if I do not respect and enforce it, that the people demand it of me .... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gorgony (talk • contribs) 05:33, 28 March 2012 (UTC) also, for you, a pleasure to discuss, is whether you are a smart and good boy, you and I know how to handle things in Mexico, corruption, the law in favor of the rich, the censorship still exists, and reality in terms of leading the country, the Slim, the Azcarraga, Salinas Pliego, etc.. the story never ever, or rather nothing happens here. Bye and indeed I too am afraid of ghosts. Greetings.--gorgony 05:25, 28 March 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gorgony (talk • contribs)

dollar pesos?
In the section on the tortilla price stabilization pact is a sentence containing this: "$8.50 pesos per." Is that a legitimate measurement or just a typo? (I know this ounds stupid, but I just wanted to doublecheck before editting)--UESPArules (talk) 20:50, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Section: "Presidency"
Hi, I modified the "Presidency" section, specifically in the part in which was said that the "Reference style" for the President was "His Excellency Mr. President of the United Mexican States". Of course this kind of nobiliary title is not used in Mexico. Maybe this title was written in the page, by a detractor or an adversary in order to distort the image of the Presidency. Thus, the Mexican Constitution recognizes, in its 80th article, that the official title of the Holder of the Executive Power is "President of the United Mexican States". Yours, from Mexico. --187.206.202.145 (talk) 10:30, 13 April 2013 (UTC) --187.206.202.145 (talk) 20:46, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Too much emphasis on Obama pictures
This is an article about CALDERÓN, so why do two of the top photos in the article feature US. President Obama more prominently than Calderón on the side or in the background? Looks like some norteamericanos are editing this article... Would be better to have photographs that focus on CALDERÓN. 198.187.251.37 (talk) 16:46, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

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