Talk:Felipe Massa

Length
This article is way too long for someone who is a minor celebrity for everyone but F1 fans. I mean seriously the article is almost as long as the one about Jesus Christ. A summary of every F1 race the guy has ever been in does not belong on a "comprehensive encyclopedia". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.109.151.197 (talk) 14:11, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

What a soft article
Everything in the 2008 section appears to be written with a pro-Massa bias. There is no reference to his remark that Sutil should have moved over for him in the pitlane, no mention of the widespread disagreement with Bourdais' penalty in Japan or the mild controversy about his aggressive move on Webber, or that Raikkonen has refused to publically support him towards the title but Alonso has. Anybody reading this without knowledge of F1 would gain a false opinion of his worth, both as a driver and as a man.--MartinUK (talk) 10:06, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Why don't you put some of this stuff in there then? You're becoming a pretty biased editor if you don't mind me saying, but there's nothing to stop you editing this article, and then everyone else can decide whether it's balanced or not. A false opinion of his worth as a man? You know him, do you? Bretonbanquet (talk) 10:47, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Why don't you go and talk about Hamilton's aggressive move on Webber at Monza? Or are you selective about aggressive overtaking moves on Mark Webber? Surely not. Moreover, Raikkonen said that he would do what the team tell him to do, which is about as much as anyone could expect him to say. Bretonbanquet (talk) 10:52, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Hamilton's move was aggressive, and risky to his race, but nowhere near as dangerous as Massa's. I'm no pro-Lewis fanatic, I feel that he's taken needless risks at the wrong times quite often and has lost his head on a couple of occasions. Fair point that I don't know Massa personally, but he doesn't come across too well in interviews.--MartinUK (talk) 12:54, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Motor racing is dangerous. And I take your point, but plenty of racing drivers come across badly in interviews - Raikkonen and Hamilton are cases in point. Bretonbanquet (talk) 19:27, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It should be remembered we are here to document and not judge. We should document what they do, not how evil they are or how big a penis they might be. -- Narson ~  Talk  • 19:32, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

I think your edits are over the top Martin.  YellowMonkey  ( click here to chose Australia's next top model! ) 00:53, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

About pizza
He started to take an interest in racing after delivering pizzas to the Brazilian grand prix when he was 7

When he was 7 years old (in 1988?), he should have lived in Sao Paulo, but the Brazilian Grand Prix had been held in Rio de Janeiro (1981 - 1989). Did he go to deliver the pizza to Rio de Janeiro? Or, is the age wrong? Or, wasn't it a Grand Prix of Formula One? I want to know detail. --Morio 03:01, 1 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Isnt the age 17? I heard he used to deliver pizza, but on Interlagos.  (11/04/2008, 22:21) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spriteyou! (talk • contribs) 00:21, 5 November 2008 (UTC)


 * This news article says 17; although the text seems to have been removed from the article anyway. DH85868993 (talk) 02:29, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

DQ
Just black flagged in Montreal for exiting the pit under a red light. DarkAudit 18:21, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Picture
I think a more recent picture, with him as a Ferrari driver, should be added but I don't know the procedure on how to do this The Dunnie 17:54, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The first step is to locate a picture which satisfies Wikipedia's Image use policy. That's usually the hardest part. DH85868993 04:37, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Facts
I think this facts section was unnecessary. It was just a simple reiteration of the results above it, and also misleading to the casual reader who wouldn't understand that these facts, which were essentially averages, factor in three seasons driving a Sauber and thus aren't really indicative of his relative performance. The Dunnie 17:00, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree, they don't benefit the reader at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elstros (talk • contribs) 19:26, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Trivia section
Is any of this information relevant? Also, he is quoted as saying he won his first "championship" in Turkey... this is obviously a misquote as he has not yet won the championship The Dunnie 18:50, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

-- I may be wrong, but I think he did say championship but meant race.

Birthplace
He wasn't born in São Paulo. He was born in Botucatu, a city in the state of São Paulo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.18.29.240 (talk) 18:17, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


 * True, these statemants should change. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elstros (talk • contribs) 19:28, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

References and living persons
It seems that various contributors to this article are insistent on referencing everything back to autosport.com. Surely it would be better to get references to a wider range of sources, including major news organisations, particularly as some of the information on the autosport website is completely unsourced and very little of it is primary information???? I make this comment whilst considering that information relating to living people should be particularly well sourced, especially if it relates to health........ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arknowledgeman (talk • contribs) 21:06, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Autosport is widely held to be one of the most reliable, if not the most reliable motorsport media organisations. It has a large number of personnel on scene at all times, and as such does not need to reference any other organisation. It gets all its own information, which is ALL primary. It is used in the current Hungarian GP accident section only twice, once to verify that Massa will miss the next race, which came straight from the Ferrari team principal; and only once with regard to Massa's condition. Autosport will be receiving all this information first hand from Hungary. Many news organisations will be using Autosport for their information, not the other way round. Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:21, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I guess each to their own view on Autosport, but I still think there should be a variety of sources..Arknowledgeman (talk) 21:32, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Indeed, and you'll find that most people within motorsport hold Autosport in extremely high regard. There are only two uses of Autosport in that section - if you want to add others, of course go ahead. I believe the two Autosport cites should stay though. And no, I don't work for them, even though it might look like that... ! Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:38, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Separate Section on Hungary Crash?
Given the significance of the crash on Felipe's life and career shouldn't this have it's own section? Thelostlibertine (talk) 16:03, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, frankly. Every time it's made into a separate section, someone keeps undoing it. I'll put it back. Bretonbanquet (talk) 17:55, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

With regard to the recent reduction in the section on the crash - while I think there should be some reduction, the current treatment is too skimpy. It was a far more substantial injury than Kubica's in 2007, and it's not really comparable at all. It's also still open-ended, and it currently reads like a very minor incident. We don't yet know the ultimate effect on Massa's career. If there's no further discussion, I'll expand the section again, and yes, it still needs its own section. Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:48, 7 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I disagree. Yes, it was a big accident, but let's put this in perspective. It's no longer considered a current event and his recovery is going well enough that he might actually come back this year still. There's no need for that much reporting anymore. Nelson Piquet's big accident in Imola 1987 had him sit out the race and there's no mention of it on his article, for one. More recent examples: Schumacher's accident in Silverstone 1999, which pretty much ended his championship drive, and Kovalainen's crash in Barcelona last year. - X X X antiuser 22:20, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It's still current in that he hasn't returned to racing yet and nobody knows when that will happen. There's a fairly obvious reason why Piquet's / Schumacher's accidents are not as well covered - they're old. They should be expanded to match the level of importance, although Piquet's only resulted in him missing one race. Kovalainen's accident was pretty minor, I'm sure you don't actually mean to compare it to Massa's. At the moment, Kubica's crash takes up more space than Massa's, which is clearly a bit silly. I'm not suggesting that we return to the level of detail we had before, otherwise I would have reverted you, but we need more than there is at the moment. Massa's article is generally way too detailed - in fact we now have more detail on races where he finished 4th then we do on his accident - but this is comfortably the most important event in his career, with the possible exception of last year's title challenge. The article needs to reflect that. Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:28, 7 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree with you that maybe I was a bit too bold in my reduction, however I don't think the accident merits its own section - not yet anyway. I meant it's not a current event as far as the media in general (and Wikipedia) are concerned - he's at home in Brazil and recovering, there's been no news since he left hospital, the current event template on the article itself is gone. I just think we should look at the bigger picture and make it more encyclopaedic. His racing should take precedence over the accident. Feel free to be bold yourself and rewrite it! - X X X antiuser 22:31, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't say you were too bold, I think it's only when editors actually do something that progress is made! I do agree with you that the previous version was too detailed and not very encyclopedic, but I also think that the accident merits slightly more detail than it enjoys at the moment. Massa may yet do a Karl Wendlinger and never be the same again, so the bigger picture is still some time away. I'll wait to see if any of the WikiProject regulars, or anyone else, wants to have a say, then I might expand it slightly. It will still look far more like your version than the previous version though. Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:39, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't have a crystal ball, but I kinda doubt he'll pull a Wendlinger, given his eagerness to get back to racing, but the Wendlinger article provides a good example, albeit with a less successful driver, of how to deal with career-changing accidents from an encyclopaedic perspective. Barrichello's Imola crash a few weeks before is another example, though it was understandably overshadowed by the other tragic events of that weekend. - X X X antiuser 23:02, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I hope so. Hopefully it won't be the case, but he may not be as sharp, and if his career should take a downward turn, people will inevitably blame the accident, rightly or wrongly. The Wendlinger article is not too bad an example, although there are no references on the accident at all. Lots of these type of incidents need to be looked at, with some expanded, others probably reduced, and all need proper sourcing. At least Massa's has that. The whole article needs some serious pruning anyway, but there is so much to do across the range of articles that it may be a while before someone gets around to it. Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:13, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Edit request from St200ol, 9 June 2010
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Paragraph One, Massa now signed to Ferrari till 2012. See http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2010/6/10881.html

St200ol (talk) 18:32, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ C T J F 8 3  pride 20:23, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Text error
check "He finished there" i think that should be he finished third. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.73.231.239 (talk) 13:08, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Incorrect, he finished sixth at Monza in 2008. "He finished there" applies to when he fell to sixth after pit stops and ended the race in the same position. Cs-wolves  (talk)  13:19, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Useful link for current statistics for editors and pending-changes reviewers
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Distinguished from Felipe Nasr
Is this really necessary? They have the same first name but that's about it. They're known as Massa and Nasr respectively.--83.241.215.98 (talk) 07:05, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
 * "Massa" and "Nasr" sound pretty similar... DH85868993 (talk) 11:33, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

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Massa and Nasr disambiguation really no longer needed...
When they were both on the grid in 2015 and 2016 (and both driving for Williams in 2014), it was easy to mix the two up.

However, Massa's career was far larger than Nasr's in retrospect. He partnered with Michael Schumacher, won 11 races for Ferrari along with scoring 41 podiums across his career, was F1 champion for 34 seconds, had an accident which resulted in the development and institution of the Halo device, was part of one of the most infamous team orders in F1 history (Fernando is faster than you), was the last driver to put a Williams in 2nd place until George Russell (and arguably still is since Belgium 2021 was a complete farce), and had a very long career which spanned 3 different engine eras in F1.

Sure, Nasr is currently enjoying some success in IMSA, but the fanbase behind that motorsport isn't even a scratch on F1's worldwide appeal. 194.207.183.182 (talk) 18:10, 7 June 2022 (UTC)