Talk:Felix Steiner

Nothing about KKS ?
Kameradenwerk Korps Steiner ? --Molobo 16:37, 27 May 2006 (UTC)  ''When Felix Steiner died in 1966, Kameradenwerk Korps Steiner was formed. It soon had members in Germany, The Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark, the Baltic states and Norway. The highlight in the KKS calendar is the three day reunion in Germany every second April but members of the Kameradenwerk have attended the annual nazi rallies in Diksmuide in Belgium.From the Kameradenwerk, there have also been links to groups like the banned Wiking Jugend in Germany, the Swedish nazi terror network formerly known as Vitt Ariskt Motstånd, nazis in Southern America and to Erik Blücher‘s former Norsk Front and Jack Erik Kjuus‘ Hvit Valgallianse in Norway.'' --Molobo 16:40, 27 May 2006 (UTC)


 * WTF enlightened people who read encyclopedias and other type of books would care about neo-Nazi monkey unliterate radicals and idiots in the first place???

"unliterate" oh the irony...

Steiner & Berlin In the main article, it said Steiner declined to counter attack. In Hitler's Samurai - The Waffen SS in Action" by Bruce Quarrie, pp106 reads as follows - "Felix Steiner, who had gathered the remnants of the once proud formations Frundsberg, Polizei, Nordland, Niederland and Wallonien around him for a last-ditch defence of Berlin. Ordered to counter-attack against the Russians, Steiner obeyed orders to the end, and tried. And, of course, failed."

Bankrobber70 --14:32, 19 August 2006 (UTC)Bankrobber


 * A text with the title 'Hitler's Samurai' shouldn't be utilized as proof and never quoted as a reliable source. Would you care to quote from a book named 'Churchill's Geisha"? Quarrie is wrong. Period and bye-bye.

Cross of Iron
Is the character Feldwebel Rolf Steiner perhaps based on Felix Steiner? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074695/ 141.154.152.216 05:21, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Good greif, no. Willi Heinrich was never in the Waffen-SS and is believed to have based the character of Rolf Steiner on Oberfeldwebel Johann Schwerdfeger, a highly-decorated platoon leader in 1st Kompanie, Jäger Regiment 228 of the 101st Jäger Division. Steiner is a pretty common name, so any semblance between Felix Steiner and the fictional character Rold Steiner is purely coincidental. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.204.18.180 (talk) 15:40, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Fate
The article states that during the Battle for Berlin, Steiner refused to carry out one of Hitler's attack plans. Hitler is said to have flown into a rage at this (subsequently famous for its portrayal in the film Downfall), although the rage was not directed specifically at Steiner. Nonetheless it seems odd that the article doesn't mention e.g. Steiner being sentenced to death or stripped of his command. Did Hitler punish Steiner for his refusal to attack? Was this punishment ever carried out? How did Steiner survive the war? -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 15:31, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Good point - I've wondered about that too. Would be cool if someone could find an answer to this and bung it in the Wikipedia article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.138.98.253 (talk) 10:15, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

'Hitler quote
Unfortunately, I have no access to the direct quote of Hitler's comment to Steiner refusal/failure to carry out the attack. However, being a German, I wish to inform you that the text given is teeming with grammatical errors to the point (even considering Hitler being really worked up) where the source should be carefully examined.

213.61.58.164 (talk) 13:36, 12 March 2010 (UTC)kookee

Frikorps Danmark
Frikorps Danmark was not af part of the Wiking division, but an independent unit.

Commissar order
I'm not finding any RS to support the below statement:

"Steiner said of the Commissar Order 'No rational unit commander could comply with such an Order'. He felt that it was incompatible with soldierly conduct and would result in a breakdown in military discipline, and that it was incompatible with giving combat its moral worth. Even if it was on utilitarian grounds, Steiner reasoned that the Commissar Order was to be ignored, as detrimental to good order and discipline."

The claim that Hitler's generals ignored or opposed the order has largely been discredited as a myth, but somehow still lives on. Compare my diff on the Eugen Müller article to what's presented in Manstein's article.

Are there any objections to removal of the above statement? K.e.coffman (talk) 18:13, 10 December 2015 (UTC)


 * I will go ahead and remove. K.e.coffman (talk) 06:58, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Krätschmer
Would there be any objections to removing Krätschmer from References? This book is not used for citations, and it's published by non WP:RS publisher Nation Europa:



K.e.coffman (talk) 03:19, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Rage, or silent?
From page Felix Steiner:

''On 22 April 1945, at his afternoon conference, Hitler, becoming aware that Steiner was not going to attack, fell into a tearful rage. Hitler finally declared that the war was lost, blamed the generals for the Reich's defeat and announced that he would remain in Berlin until the end and then kill himself.'' ''On 22 April 1945, at his afternoon conference, Hitler, becoming aware that Steiner was not going to attack, fell into a tearful rage. Hitler finally declared that the war was lost, blamed the generals for the Reich's defeat and announced that he would remain in Berlin until the end and then kill himself.''

From page Army Detachment Steiner:

"When, on 22 April, at his afternoon conference Hitler learned that Steiner was not going to attack, according to testimony of his secretary, he was 'silent for a long time', and then insisted that the women (she and Braun) should leave Berlin immediately (but they refused). (For cinematic purposes in the Downfall movie he was presented as flying into a shouting rage instead, which does not correlate with the psychology of the situation.)"

These seem inconsistent. Please could somebody with expert knowledge of the sources make them consistent and correct. JDAWiseman (talk) 19:37, 12 September 2022 (UTC)