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Contradiction
Under the heading "Differences from Western feminism" it is said that "Rather, Chinese culture has always assumed that "man" and "woman" are socially constructed categories." To me that is not coherent with the above heading were it is claimed that "women were believed to occupy a lower position than men in the hierarchical order of the universe. The I Ching stated that "'Great Righteousness is shown in that man and woman occupy their correct places; the relative positions of Heaven and Earth.'"

I think there is a contradiction here, or maybe I have just misunderstood something. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.177.181.225 (talk) 19:21, 6 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I think you're certainly right. I think that the traditional Chinese thinking has included the essentialist view of man and woman (grounded to metaphysics). Still, it may be true that it has seen genders as somehow socially constructed but this would need some clarification. --128.214.69.89 (talk) 15:07, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Much Needed Article!
Thanks, Ricardiana!

Looking forward to adding to this good start! Millennium Twain (talk) 13:11, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

The period of 1912-1949
This should also include the feminism and change of the position of women in China during the period of 1912-1949. During the 1930s and 1940s, I believe, women could study at the university and became teachers and doctors. They were no longer in the same position as during empirial China. --85.226.47.128 (talk) 15:58, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Women were allowed to study at Peking University in 1920. --85.226.41.180 (talk) 17:57, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

source chapter prospect
A source that covers feminism in China looks interesting. It's a chapter by Louise P. Edwards in Roces, Mina, & Louise P. Edwards, eds., Women's Movements in Asia: Feminisms and Transnational Activism (London or Oxon: Routledge, pbk. 2010 (ISBN 978-0-415-48703-0)) (ed. Roces assoc. prof., School of History and Philosophy, University of New S. Wales, Sydney, Australia, & ed. Edwards prof. modern China, Univ. of Hong Kong, both per p. [i] & cover IV). If someone has the time and more national expertise than I have, it may be worth adding to this article. Nick Levinson (talk) 22:28, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Anti-Gay feminism in China
I've found a very unique sort of feminism on Chinese forums and blogs, "Anti-Gay Feminism". It's jokingly called "国产女权主义" ("Feminism made in China") and it centers around criticism of lavender marriages and gay people in general. It appears to be very popular, but I have no way to confirm this (at least the official "Feminism" Tieba adheres to this kind of feminism).

Since there's no scholarly research on this topic (and therefore no statistics) I won't add it to the article, but I think it's worth looking into and adding it when there's more research available. 124.77.21.175 (talk) 12:16, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Article Evaluation
Everything in the article is relevant with Feminism in China. It states the history of feminism in China in detail and the difference between the feminism in China and in the Western countries. What's more, it also introduces some famous feminist in China. The only thing that it's distracted me is that the article spends too many works in describing the history but very few words about present or future. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Finiantang (talk • contribs) 04:04, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Proposed Changes
We are students working on a Wikipedia Project for a college course. My group consists of myself, Morgan Atherton, Barbora Lehka, Montana Nelson. Please review our proposed changes below.

We would like to add a section on Feminist movements and organizations which would consist of subsections about the All-Women China Federation and the Feminist Five. These sections would not go in depth about the historical significance of the movements but rather how it applies specifically to feminism. Our subsection on Feminist Five would include the event about their arrest. We would like to propose that the subsection about this event would be deleted from the article, and replaced with our section which provides more information about the group as a whole.

We would also like to add to the section "Differences from Western Feminism". This section does not have enough substantial information. We would also like to add a subsection about Footbinding to the History section. It would not so much about the historical significance of footbinding but more so about how it relates to feminism in China.

Lastly, under the Prominent Chinese Feminists section, we would like to add two paragraphs about two feminists already included in the page. Li Xiojiang and He-Yin Zhen are important feminists that should have more information about them in this section.

Thank you for considering these changes. Rebxlee (talk) 14:49, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Considering that this article is quite barebones, expansions are generally welcome! Your proposals make sense, and I think that they would probably improve this article in regard to its coverage. Applodion (talk) 17:44, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Criticism, Diversity and Present Day?
The development of feminism in China is definitely a complex and controversial process. Maybe more content related to "the barriers feminists are facing in China", feminism ideas in the social, political, educational realm, as well as in literature and arts, could be included in the description as well? In recent years, the Chinese government has worked with the United Nations to stimulate gender equality and established Anti-Domestic Violence Law (反家庭暴力法). A lot of Chinese and non-Chinese scholars and activists are also working hard on studying and debating on Chinese feminism. What are these people's views and towards which direction feminism is going in China? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yqin98 (talk • contribs) 15:08, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Some Suggestions
I am commenting on two sections that I engage most critically: “History” and “Differences from Western feminism”

History

More neutral tone on the general view of the social roles of men and women in Chinese society prior to the 20th century. By referring to the yin and yang ideas in I Ching, a misunderstanding that may arise would be that everyone in Chinese society place great deal of authority and understanding on the book, rather than another potential reason of common people just following the already established norms and views at the time. Moreover, referring to the implication of yin and yang as leading to a patriarchal view of men and women are just one interpretation. There are other interpretations of yin and yang that does not agree with the patriarchal view of men and women. Therefore, claiming that yin and yang leads to a patriarchal view of men and women is not neutral at all, but stating that there is a patriarchal view of men and women before the 20th century itself suffices in description.

Differences from Western feminism

There are many interesting comparisons drawn between feminism in China and feminism in the West. In my opinion, I think this section more critically explains the ideas of feminism in China, rather than describing history and issues as done on the other section. However, this section also seems to make a lot of synthetical claims on feminism in China that seems to be unnecessary in terms of staying in a consistent neutral tone. One thing to consider is that, even if this section is dedicated to just explaining the core ideas of Chinese feminism, I think it would be enough to get the point across. Let the readers themselves draw comparisons between different ideas of feminism in different cultures.

Nevertheless, it was interesting reading the entry! Good luck with the edits! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eyeluo (talk • contribs) 19:28, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Women's Suffrage in China?
I would like to know more about women's suffrage in China. The history of women's suffrage is essential in the discussion of Chinese feminism, and should be detailed further.

helpful source: https://journals.openedition.org/chinaperspectives/4786 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Annabelasher (talk • contribs) 23:36, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Organization of the Many Different Sections
Thank you for your contribution. I am happy to see that the page covers a wide range of topics related to Chinese feminism. But I don't quite get the logical order of how these different sections are displayed. I wonder if these sections can be re-organized and form a more coherent whole. In this way, readers may gain a more complete and clearer picture of feminism in China. The authors may also want to explore how feminism in China transforms the society at large, the reactions to feminism in China, and current challenges posed by the consumer culture and the political environment.

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Before 1900 I added some explanations about the status of female in matrilineal China，and it was copied from my sandbox: User:Mobinwang/sandbox Here is the resource link: https://doi.org/10.4324/9780203765807 —Mobinwang (talk) 05:34, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Before 1900 I added some overview of the status of women from the Han Dynasty to the Qing Dynasty, and I also added the source. I copied the summary from my sandbox User:Mobinwang/Feminism_in_China and here is the resource link: https://doi.org/10.1002/9781118783863.ch7 —Mobinwang (talk) 05:47, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Late 19th to 20th century I added some new understandings of women's status from some Chinese thinkers from the late 19th century to the 20th century. I copied the summary from my sandbox User:Mobinwang/Feminism_in_China and here is the resource link: https://doi.org/10.1086/683475 —Mobinwang (talk) 06:08, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

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 * Women Are Battling China’s Angry Trolls. The Trolls Are Winning. NYT

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