Talk:Feminism in Japan

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It looks like this article needs to be wikified and needs more citations/sources. I like how the article looks, but it really needs alot of work. -- Grrrlriot (♠ ♣ ♦ ♥ †) 00:47, 17 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Agreed; I just re-arranged the article, added a bunch of subsections, and a bunch of citations. The info is now more up-to-date - by a lot - so I removed the "needs updating" tag. Ricardiana (talk) 18:51, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

12,000 Years of Japanese Women's Herstory?
I was just threatened with blocking, because I added (referenced!) sacred woman's history information and Jomon period (stone age) artwork to this Feminism_in_Japan article. I'm new here, so don't know how to tell when I am (we are) a victim of authorized administrative violence, or merely an individual editors violence. Any suggestions? Are there other user interest groups that support the chronicling of women's, elder's, native, global, cultural, oral, intangible and true herstory?Millennium Twain (talk) 18:50, 15 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi, Millennium Twain, I think, having looked at the page's history, that the problem is probably two-fold. One, Wikipedia is very strict about images, and I was just told myself, re a different article, that my images are too large. I'm currently trying to figure out how to make them smaller, but the point is that your image was even larger than mine. So I'm guessing that that's problem #1. The second problem, I suggest, is that the paragraph you wrote violates Wikipedia policy re: neutral point of view. Also, I think it would be more appropriate in an article on herstory, rather than on Japanese feminism, unless you can locate Japanese feminists who talk about such views.Ricardiana (talk) 19:22, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the dialog, Ricardiana! Strange about images ... it is easy enough for any editor or administrator to shrink, or suggest shrinking, an image if they object to an article being beautiful. I loaded VERY modest sized images, in comparison to the size of the article and the amount of text. Making an article visual and beautiful enhances the learning process tenfold, not to mention the joy of the experience, and the attractiveness of the article to a greater audience. Images bring more information and knowledge to an article than text, particularly when the article is missing images. As to the text of the deleted paragraph ... if any editor thought it was somehow un-neutral, they would have done a few keystrokes of editing and expanded or broadened or refined the text. That is what Wikipedia editing is all about, or am I missing something else? As far as I can see, the cutting of that paragraph was vandalism -- particularly as it was an essential paragraph, as the current article is lacking in breadth and depth, and thus relevance to either scholarly or public viewers. I assume that is why we are here, to expand and broaden and deepen this much needed and overdue article? Should I start an article on Herstory_of_Japan, and would others join me in it ... or would it be deleted, and would I be blocked? How does one deal with these (seeming? 'accidental'? obvious?) examples of 'vandalism' and abuse (gender violence?) at Wikipedia? Millennium Twain (talk) 13:03, 16 March 2009 (UTC) I will be adding/expanding the paragraph which was deleted from Feminism_in_Japan ... and watching for further vandalism against this and other Feminism/Woman's/Herstory pages. I would ask others to assist me, as I will them, in expanding and refining all these ... and new articles ... of the written, artistic, intangible and oral herstory of humanity. There are tens of thousands of scholarly and published references available, not to mention those already existing on WP, and the millions on the internet. If anyone is in the dark about any areas of Herstory, they only need to spend a little time browsing to fill in the darkness with a ten or hundred-fold illumination. for all our relations, Millennium Twain (talk) 22:21, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
 * MT you need consensus to add material. You can't just declare that you're going to and then describe any removal of it as vandalism. Please assume good faith and work towards creating building consensus. And by the way please avoid "excessive mark-up"-- Cailil   talk 14:43, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

kia ora, Cailil, Maori blessings! I took a look at the consensus page, and it advised just what I had this morning inferred ... that to build the consensus of an article, additions to an article can be suggested and molded on the TALK page ... and then they can be understood, and even edited extensively, before going to the article itself for further editing by a larger world of editors. this would have the added advantage of building a shield, a hoop of good intention, around each article of beauty/truth/integrity. I will start that here -- for Woman's early history and her and his oral, artistic, material pre-history -- all herstory at {Talk:Feminism_in_Japan}. we are living in truly exciting times ... the coming together of all planetwide cultures, knowledge, wisdom, traditions! arohanui, enfolding love, Millennium Twain (talk) 15:48, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry MT, although what you propose to do is highly laudable it is not appropriate to this encyclopedia page. As pointed out above this is not an article about herstory in Japan.  Our about the history of matriarchy or of the history of goddess worship.  This is a clearly defined article about the feminist movement (i.e women's lib in the 19th, 20th and 21st centuries) in Japan. Please don't "fork" content here as it will have to be moved or removed.  Also please reread WP:NOR so that you are 100% clear about what standards we demand of material added to articles here on wikipedia-- Cailil   talk 00:51, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Greater focus on ideology?
Currently, this article gives an overview of the historical development of the feminist movement in Japan. However, there's a lack of information about current ideologies of Japanese feminism. I think this information is valuable, because it would give readers an understanding of what non-Western feminism can look like. I don't know enough about this topic to contribute to the article. But it would be great if someone added this information. Bluemonkee (talk) 20:09, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

source chapter prospect
A source that covers feminism in Japan looks interesting. It's a chapter by Barbara Molony in Roces, Mina, & Louise P. Edwards, eds., Women's Movements in Asia: Feminisms and Transnational Activism (London or Oxon: Routledge, pbk. 2010 (ISBN 978-0-415-48703-0)) (ed. Roces assoc. prof., School of History and Philosophy, University of New S. Wales, Sydney, Australia, & ed. Edwards prof. modern China, Univ. of Hong Kong, both per p. [i] & cover IV). If someone has the time and more national expertise than I have, it may be worth adding to this article. Nick Levinson (talk) 22:35, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Overlap in "feminism" article and "women in Japan" article
While this article has a lot of good info, not all of the material on women is directly pertinent to "Feminism in Japan," and much of the material on this page seems better suited to women in Japan. Any thoughts on moving some of this material ("Education," "Labor," and the "Equal Opportunity Labor Act" in particular) to make the "feminism" article more focused on Japanese feminist movements? Owlsmcgee (talk) 01:08, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Missing info for 1946 to late 1960s
There's a big gap in this article's coverage for the time period between 1946 (when women were granted the right to vote) and the late 1960s (2nd wave feminism in Japan). There was a lot of feminist activism during this time and a lot of advances for Japanese women. The adultery law was repealed (which only applied to women), the Meiji Civil Code was reformed (which gave women basic rights in marriage and property), the Women's and Minor's Bureau was established within the Labour Ministry, etc. Coverage of this time period should be added to the article. Kaldari (talk) 18:21, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Information missing about Womenomics
I agree with several users in that the article needs some updates. For a Feminist Economics class project I will be working on the Labor section. I would like to add information about the set of policies called Womenomics, which were introduced in 2012 by Prime Minister Abe in order to increase female labor participation in Japan. Alejandralr (talk) 22:59, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Peer Review
Hi All! I think the article is extremely well organized and written, especially on a topic that may be subjective leaning at times. However, I do think the intro paragraph could benefit from some tightening as it is very long. Some of that information could go into the main body of the article. I also think the section on Manga should either be expanded or deleted. One sentence seems very insufficient when comparing to the depth of the other sections. While the article is about Japan I think that it could benefit from some international responses to Feminist movements in Japan and how they are viewed throughout the world. I believe that this would add to some of the objectivity and well roundedness of the article while maintaining its focus on Japan. ```` — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexbolden15 (talk • contribs) 01:47, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

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"Failing marks" in introduction
1986 was a long time ago. Has no international organization evaluated gender equality in Japan since then? 24.7.14.87 (talk) 07:44, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

Feminism in Japan began in the late 19th century
The statement that “Feminism in Japan began in the late 19th century” is pretty wild; it is an explicit assertion that, until then, there was never a person who acted to rectify that women were being unfairly treated. This is unlikely, uncited, and contradicted in the very next sentence. 109.224.247.180 (talk) 14:16, 2 April 2019 (UTC)