Talk:Feminism in Russia

DYK nomination
This article is currently being nominated for DYK (by me), and the template told me to leave this here. So, here:

Accedie talk to me  00:10, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Comments
Interesting article, looks like it's in pretty good shape for the most part, I have a few comments I can offer about possible improvements:
 * "The first Russian feminist organization of the 19th century is considered to be the "Decembrist women."" Generally, you want to attribute statements like this, instead of using "is considered to be". Even if it's just, "Most historians consider the "Decembrist women" to be the first Russian feminist organization of the 19th century.
 * "She was also a founding member of the Russian Women's Mutual Philanthropic Society and responsible for helping to organize the All-Women's Congress of 1908." Anything to link to here?
 * "The 1917 Revolution, catalyzed in part by women workers' demonstrations, generated a surge of membership in the organization, and in 1917, because of their continued lobbying, Russia became the first major world power to grant women the right to vote." Might want to try to avoid stating the year twice in one sentence here.
 * Usually we don't use retrieval dates for books, and do use them for Newspaper websites.
 * Make sure that date formats are consistent, "The New York Times March 9, 2003." vs "Forbes 14 June 2012."
 * You have "Forbes" italicized in notes but not in references.
 * Maybe add another image, perhaps in the origins section.
 * I think some more information about Feminist positions in Russia might be helpful. In know the U.S. birth control and abortion availability were very big issues for 20th century feminism, was that true in Russia, as well?
 * Are there any notable Feminist literary movements/critics? i.e. Feminist reading of Anna Karenina etc. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:06, 22 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I took care of the nikkimaria-proofing. Br&#39;er Rabbit (talk) 04:31, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Moлoдца!
Nice work. I was wondering, maybe, if the Soviet Union section could be the seed of a separate Feminism in the Soviet Union article, perhaps for another edit-a-thon? There is certainly a lot to write there, and a lot of sources, about the gap between rhetoric and reality. In fact, the current article could use, as a way of illustrating that, a joke from that era that Hedrick Smith reported in his classic The Russians (which has a whole chapter on women in Russian culture): "Q: Why are Soviet women freer than capitalist women? A: Because capitalist women have to work all day and then come home and cook and clean and take care of the kids, while Soviet women work all day, come home and cook and clean and take care of the kids and build socialism."

If I had an exact page ref, I'd put it in the article. Daniel Case (talk) 15:10, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the positive feedback!


 * RE: Feminism in the USSR, yes, absolutely! Most of these sections are huge enough in scope to fill a whole article. I was just hoping to break the ground and sow the seed with this one, to speak in kolkhoz-worthy metaphor :) I'll get to fleshing the topic out one of these days. And I'm definitely interested in hunting down the exact ref for that joke now. Anybody who gets there first, feel free to add it in! Accedie  talk to me  21:11, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I put it in there now, along with a pic of a propaganda poster (How could we not?) Daniel Case (talk) 05:56, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Ohhh, that's so perfect. Thank you :) Now I just need to canvas a few more E. European specialists to help get this to GA... Know anyone off the top of your head who might be able to lend a hand and a few more refs? (P.S., I didn't get a chance to talk to you too much, but it was good to see you at Wikimania! You came to my & Steven's talk on editor motivations. Thanks for your participation there and at Oliver's panel beforehand.) Accedie  talk to me  01:08, 22 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Why so much joy? This article is essentially nothing other than propaganda with the anti-soviet bias199.167.145.47 (talk) 19:43, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia: making Internet cranks angry since 2001! w00t! Accedie  talk to me  05:37, 10 August 2012 (UTC)


 * The problem is that half of that section relies on Hedrick Smith's book. And it's not even explicitly about feminism in Russia (Soviet Union). It could be a little more neutral. And what he writes must be atribbuted, not presented as fact. I'll try to fix that a little.5.12.221.176 (talk) 16:31, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, this part of the article about feminism and the USSR is simply based on the prejudiced opinion of the same feminist Ekaterina Alexandrova, who is difficult to perceive separately from her personal feminist methodology, or the same Alexander Solzhenitsyn, who was often caught lying in the Gulag archipelago, where he greatly inflated the numbers of Stalinist repressions and in general the number of victims of the Soviet regime, or where he said that allegedly in the USSR when he was a writer, he lived very poorly and almost begged, which turned out to be untrue and the publicist Ostrovsky in his book about Solzhenitsyn proved that he was lying, since he himself there were several dachas, garages and cars and an income of tens of thousands of rubles, which is quite a lot for the Soviet Union of that time, and in the article there are many references to the book by Hedrick Smith, which he wrote based on his work (in 1971-1974) as the head Moscow bureau of the New York Times, since he did not have access to the whole country and was based on his personal impressions of t of a three-year life in Moscow, he also did not have access to data and research on this issue (which at that time for the most part did not exist) therefore it is difficult to take it as a serious evidence base, well, there are also a number of strange statements in the article about the fact that in the USSR there was an additional level in the household, what is it all about, the fact that a huge number of women combined both work and housekeeping is true, but there didn’t seem to be any additional household duties, as I know, and much more in this article is controversial statement 37.54.230.242 (talk) 21:49, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Highest female managers percentage worldwide
The article fails to mention the fact that Russia has the highest female percentage in management in the world at 40+ per cent. There are a lot of reliable sources for this claim, one can easily find them online. This should be included I guess. 46.39.230.124 (talk) 23:47, 17 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Agree with the above comment. If it is true that there is a high level of women in management in Russia, then, on balance, it probably is worthy of mention. Redaction101 (talk) 22:17, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Soviet period
The page describes mostly average life of a woman in a city/town - work, shopping. Other cases:
 * female prisoners
 * female soldiers (War’s Unwomanly Face by Svetlana Alexievich)
 * female workers in women towns
 * kolkhos women
 * Centarl Asian women.Xx236 (talk) 09:24, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Russian Orthodox Church and feminism
An interesting source I've located is the New York Times of 13 April 2013, and this indicates that it was Patriarch Kirill of Moscow who criticized feminism. Should this fact be included in this article? BTW, I am aware that this doesn't of itself mean that all of the Russian Orthodox Church is antagonistic to feminism. I strongly suspect that there are learned theologians within Russian Orthodoxy who would take a more enlightened view. I've yet to look into this. But the Patriarch is still an important leader, and perhaps his view should be included in the article. Redaction101 (talk) 22:33, 10 February 2024 (UTC)