Talk:Feminist Initiative (Sweden)

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Further to the (many) edits today by BCseawalker regarding the organisation of the same name in Canada, I have changed the name of this article to Feminist Initiative (Sweden), and will now set up a disambiguation page.--Mais oui! 17:50, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Disambiguation page
Following the (irrate?) contributions of user:BCseawalker today, I have set up a disambiguation page at Feminist Initiative. For the record, here are today's edits by BCseawalker to this (Swedish) page, which I subsequently removed:

At very top of article: "The words feminist initiative are used in the names of three political parties, on two different continents. In Sweden, it is simply the Feminist Initiative, while in Canada there is the FemINist INitiative of BC and its national equivalent the FemINist INitiative of Canada. The philosophies, values and goals of the Swedish and Canadian parties differ as widely as the expanse of the Atlantic ocean. The following information is on the Swedish party."

Under "See also" heading: "== See also == -  + FemINist INitiative of BC, a moderate feminist political party that was registered in June 2005, in the province of British Columbia, Canada, and its national equivalent, the FemINist INitiative of Canada. Although the Swedish and Canadian models share the same name, their philosophies, values and goals differ substantially. Whereas the Swedish group adopts radical feminism, the Canadians take a moderate, inclusive approach." They had also: --Mais oui! 18:12, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
 * removed the list of members of the Executive Committee,
 * made links to the two Canadian organisations under "External Links",
 * and entered the Swedish article under the Canadian Politics category.

Unfortunate consequences of the acronyms Fi and F!
User:Alarm removed the following passage I had submitted on 11 Sept 05, saying "Removing "unfortunate consequences". While factually correct, unless the implicit claim that this is a relevant problem is sourced, this is original research":

Removed section: "== Unfortunate consequences of the acronyms Fi and F! ==  The acronym F! or Fi has unfortunate linguistic similarities to two vulgarisms in the Swedish language:   #in the Swedish language the possessive form of Fi is Fis (eg. "Fis styrelse" is "Fi's Executive Committee"; Swedish does not use an apostrophe for possesives). Fis is the Swedish word for fart (flatulence).   #the term fy fan has the same power to strongly offend Swedish-speakers as the four-letter, expletive F-word in the English language (although it does not refer to the same thing, translating as approximately yuck devil). Fy fan is often simply contracted to fy in the media, or where circumstances do not permit usage of the full obscenity. Fy (meaning yuck) sounds similar enough to the acronym Fi to allow room for schoolboy humour, and the logotype F! is open to similar visual jokes.''

I accept the removal of the section, for now. But I would like to point out that this was not "original research". It was actually pointed out to me by a (female) Swedish voter, who used it as a tool to mock the party. Admittedly, this is fairly weak, oral evidence, but I am sure she was not the only Swede, out of 9 million people, to notice these linguistic connections. The section should be re-inserted, and added to the sv: wiki article and others, once we have documented evidence of the phenomenon, for example newspaper articles or satirical cartoons.--Mais oui! 19:12, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Fi is also, in the Swedish military, short-form for "fiende" which is Swedish for "enemy". As the party has a quite radical feminist profile, this may for some people seem to be a correct name for their relation to men. --212.214.78.161 18:54, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Note that "fy" is not an expletive in itself, but could roughly be translated to "shame on you" or "phooey". 惑乱 分からん 23:15, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

The information on Swedish is correct, btw, and although fis might not be the Swedish word for fart, it is still a very common word. It might be considered a minor problem not worth noting, though. 惑乱 分からん 23:19, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I would just to also point out that "fy fan" is not in any way as explicit as the English word "fuck". Also, the word "fy" alone is usually not a contraction of "fy fan". In any case, the pronounciation of "fy" and "Fi" are destinct enough to only make people TRYING to hear one in the other able to do so. 193.44.6.146 (talk) 15:42, 6 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I always keep mixing up fi and FI, since they both use the same abbreviation. But maybe that's just me? (Stefan2 (talk) 06:41, 23 May 2009 (UTC))

The possessive form of Fi is Fi:s. (Colon signs are used for acronyms in Swedish.) It's still pronounced the same though. I don't know if I agree that fy fan is as strong as fuck. The fact that the possessive form of Fi is pronounced the same as the Swedish word for fart is perhaps a bit of fun trivia, but hardly the most important thing about this party. However, if sources demonstrate that it's often used in satire it's relevant information. At the moment I don't remember any jokes about this from established comedians or cartoonist. /Jiiimbooh » TALK – CONTRIBS 15:35, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Könsmaktsordning
The foundation of the party's policy platform is an academic theory called könsmaktsordning (literal translation: Gender Power Hierarchy), a term used within Swedish radical feminism; and the belief that women are systematically suppressed.

I find this very misleading. (1) Könsmaktsordning is not a term/concept particular to or exclusively used by radical feminism. I'm fairly certain that among others even the UN uses it. (2) I do not think like the description of könsmaktsordning as an academic theory. Firstly, I do not see why describing it as academic is necessary, secondly I think describing it as a theory is wrong. I would rather label it a concept, but I'm not 100% certain.

I might try and improve on it later on if I can remember, but anyone who is willing to try is welcome. --kissekatt 02:31, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Rosenberg plagiarism
Wikipedia article:

"The accusation against Tiina Rosenberg goes back to a review of her book "Byxbegär" ('Wearing the trousers') written by professor emeritus Ingeborg Nordin Hennel in 2000. Hennel showed that Rosenberg had nearly verbatim copied several passages from a book written by two other academics without providing sufficient references or marking the passages as quotations"

The Local article:

"The accusations against Tiina Rosenberg go back to a book review written by professor emeritus Ingeborg Nordin Hennel in 2000. Hennel showed that Rosenberg had included word for word a passage from a book written by two other academics in her own work, "Byxbegär" ('Wearing the trousers') and failed to provide a reference."

Is this a troll?

Anyway, I don't know so much about this, but after reading something briefly about it, it seems that the part about references missing is either wrong or disputed. Hence NPOV tag

KEK 16:19, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Random joke by anonymous user
Great sense of humour: "Defecation to the Fi"

Radical Feminism
Does this party fall under Radical Feminism? The article isnt very clear on what the party supports but from news articles it would seem they support this radical type of leglisation. 74.137.230.39 00:05, 25 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't think FI is subscribing to the specific theory of Radical Feminism. KEK 02:08, 7 February 2007 (UTC)


 * FI definitely falls under Radical Feminism. Political position should also be changed to far-left as it's leader has communist roots and still wants quotas in the society. 23:17, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

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WTF?
"Official colours 	Pink and any "girlish" colors." WTF? --212.247.27.120 (talk) 20:02, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Controversies
"the party got only 0.68% as a result of several controversies made by the party"

Be interesting to know what this controversies were. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.232.250.50 (talk) 16:28, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Politics
Maybe the article should say something about the party´s politics? Here is a list of examples of political demands from the party: 1. All men should be sent on reeducation seminars to learn how to live more like women. 2. Sexual education should be mandatory in kindergarten. 3. Lower the workday to six hours. 4. Dismantle the deference forces. 5. Give social welfare to illegal immigrants. 6. Legalize bigamy. 7. Ban circuses. 8. Ad a third legal sex. 9. Define rape as all sexual encounters were a man can not prove consent. 10. If a parent is accused of a crime the children should always be forbidden from all contact with the parent. 11. Ban on all porn. 12. Ban sexual innuendos in commercials. 13. Feminist propaganda should be taught from kindergarten and in all levels of school.

Maybe someone can add this i an encyclopedic manner into the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.228.240.186 (talk) 08:54, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Indeed, the article omits much very basic information. Is membership of the party only open to women? It is not mentioned. Also, I am sure that the party has published lists of demands, so there is no need to rely on rumours 2A01:CB08:634:DA00:1941:7FE2:4EF4:89FC (talk) 06:16, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

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Far-left party
You cannot call a party "radical" and than only use the moderate term "left-wing". If this party is a radical one in relation to its major topic you have to call them at least far-left or "far-left extreme".

80.131.52.70 (talk) 22:53, 21 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Seems like a pretty shallow understanding of what these broad terms acctually mean! Vif12vf/Tiberius (talk) 23:40, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

The party definetly falls under radical feminism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_feminism — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.227.11.2 (talk) 22:48, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

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