Talk:Fender Jaguar

Tornado
This does not have the same body as the Jaguar

Intended purpose, surf music?
I have to take issue with the author's assertion that the Jaguar was intended for surf music groups. The Jaguar came out in 1962, and had to have been in development for some time before that. Surf music did not become popular on a national level until 1962.

There is no doubt that surf music groups flocked to the Jaguar and Fender did later market to them. However I don't believe you can say the Jaguar was meant for surf guitarists, or that the mute was intended for them. (Fender did not invent the mute, it appeared on other non-Fender guitars from that era). Fender was probably seeking to further appeal to the Jazz crowd which had not received the Jazzmaster very well.

Other than this point, I found this article to be very well written.

''Dick Dale was active in the late 50s, and surf-ish instrumentalists like Duane Eddy and Link Wray were around then too. And don't forget Fender was located and very involved with local musicians in Southern California where surf originated, so when it broke on a national scale isn't a reliable indicator of when Fender became aware of the trend. And being similar to the Jazzmaster, it wouldn't necessarily have taken more than a few months to put something together using Jazzmaster ideas & parts.''

I added a reference to fender.com for the fact that Fender originally intended the guitar to be used by surf musicians, specifically "the removable Fender Mute is a built-in string-damping device created with surf bands in mind." The mute was created for the jaguar. Petchboo (talk) 04:42, 30 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Let's not have an edit war over whether the Jaguar was designed specifically to be a surf guitar or not. Until someone can present conclusive evidence, it remains up in the air. The present-day reference to the mute is not proof, because it was probably written by some guy in the advertising department who wasn't even alive in '62. Maybe someone should write Fender and find out if the designer is still alive and can tell us about it. I have edited the first paragraph to read neutral and made note of the controversy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Capritaurus (talk • contribs) 06:43, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Looks like someone undid the edit because when I read this article in 2012 it was still claiming the guitar was targeted at the surf "market" (unlikely since that was way too niche). Overall there is way too much opinion in the article and I have started the process of cleaning it up, adding more sources and facts.Popsup (talk) 23:11, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

John Frusciante reference
According to this article, John Frusciante used his red Jaguar for the duration of the Red Hot Chili Peppers performance at woodstock. This is absolutely false. I'm watching the video, and he used his 60s Sunburst Telecaster. I'm removing this reference. WhiteHand 03:39, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

OK, I concede it was used in a few of the songs, but not the entire performance, as implied in the article. WhiteHand 03:42, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

He did mention once that it is his favourite guitar but rarely uses it on stage.

I would imagine it is his faviourite type of guitar but when you have a 60s Strat and Tele, why would you use a probably 80s/90s Jag. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.172.57.2 (talk) 23:42, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 16:36, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Switches?
So what do all the switches do exactly? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.89.148.9 (talk) 03:09, 29 August 2008 (UTC)


 * The upper switchplate has just one switch and two "thumbwheel" pots. This switch swaps between the "upper" circuit and "lower" circuit. The upper circuit uses only the neck pickup, and the volume and tone (treble cut)) pots on the upper switchplate. The lower circuit uses only the controls on the lower awitchplates. The horn end lower switchplate has three switches, which are from neck end (1) neck pickup off/on (2) bridge pickup off/on and (3) "strangle" (bass cut by introducing a series capacitor). The bridge end lower switchplate has conventional volume and tone (treble cut) pots. All controls are passive. The setup has a lot of character and a big learning curve but once you get away from the idea of a pickup change switch it works very well. Andrewa (talk) 10:53, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Bye Bye Birdie
I suppose it should be mentioned that the Fender Jaguar was used in the movie "Bye Bye Birdie" as Conrad Birdie's guitar, probably it's most famous use. The Jaguar is a heavy guitar, anybody know why they made it so heavy? And the bridge settles after playing for a while, anybody know how to keep the bridge from settling without affecting the sound quality? 209.77.229.70 (talk) 19:02, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Between surf rock and 80's/90's alt rock there was another era
During the late 70s and the early/mid 80s, the Jaguars and Jazzmasters were shown as part of the gear of punk, post-punk and new wave musicians. Why are you including Tom Verlaine alongside Cobain and Frusciante? He was part of the infamous era of the Jaguar users in the punk/new wave era, alongside Rowland S. Howard (The Birthday Party, These Immortal Souls, solo artist), Rob Symmons (Subway Sect) and others.Francodamned (talk) 05:25, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Agreed. It should read something like "despite being discontinued, the J + J remained popular amongst a small group of musicians, particularly those in what was to go on to be known as the indie/alt scene. Following the mainstream popularity of many of the groups in this genre, Fender reintroduced the instruments in the late 90s." or something like that. -- Bobyllib (talk) 07:34, 23 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Agreed and I have started to clean this up and make these distinctions.Popsup (talk) 23:36, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Modifications
''Although the Jaguar is fraught with design problems, there are several modifications which can dramatically improve the instrument. These include changing the bridge saddles for those found on a Fender Mustang or those made by Graphtech, and fitting an Allparts Buzz Stop attachment onto the tremolo system which increases string tension, preventing string buzz and improving sustain.''

''In addition, guitar pickup makers such as Seymour Duncan have created specialised replacement pickup ranges that can make the instrument sound more suitable for other genres. Although some players feel these "upgrades" are to the detriment of the guitar they have been widely accepted as inexpensive improvements that make the Jaguar at least as reliable as any other Fender instrument.''

There are some good points there, but I'm not quite sure how to separate them from the POV. Despite what the aftermarket gadget peddlars will tell you, many Jaguar owners are actually rather pleased with them! And considering what original Jags now sell for, you'd be crazy to take this implied advice.

Still, compared to the Fender Mustang article, that's pretty mild stuff. Andrewa 08:45, 11 March 2006 (UTC)


 * "It has a rare extension called the Sierah which is used wide spread through Jazz intersection players." <-- I can't figure out what on earth this is supposed to mean.  What is a Jazz intersection player?  Is this supposed to say fusion?  Doubtful, as Fenders were never too popular in that area, but it's the best I can grok. And, of course, the spelling is likely off, but googling sic and Sierra finds nothing for me.

Work needed on this article
• I have done some reorg but the "Reissue" section still has about three paragraphs that would better belong in the "Variations" section. That would require some merging because there's some duplication. • In some ways it seems like "Features" should precede "History." Saying what the guitar is and does may logically be better context for the history than vice versa. I dunno. • Some text on collectibility and value should be added. What's in the article right now is a little negative POV and sketchy. Jags regularly sell on eBay for 2K-3K and up. That is not an undesirable guitar! • The nice long article on the Fender site and the new (Nov 2012) article in Vintage Guitar ought to provide some more and better material.Popsup (talk) 23:34, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

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