Talk:Fender Jaguar Baritone Custom

Advert
Disagree that it's written like an advert. As the tagger didn't bother to even update the talk page, I think we should just remove the tag. Andrewa (talk) 01:22, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

In that nobody speaks, and that there's similarly been no rationale given for the other tag either and despite what it says there is one inline reference and a link to the Fender website (typical for similar articles on other guitar models, and better than many ), I'm removing both tags.

Possibly the references have been added since the unreferenced tag was added, and the article has had some rewriting too.

But this article has never been written as the publicists at Fender would have done. They'd like us to think that this is what Jack Bruce played in Cream, and they carefully phrase their literature so as not to disillusion us. Of course he didn't play one of these, he might have if it had been around but it wasn't to be for amost half a century. Retro is like that. What he played was a Bass VI, which had a slightly longer scale but the same strings, and the premium Fender tremolo arm which so impressed Bruce that he personally removed it. When the Bass VI's electrics then failed after a dodgy respray (again done personally by Bruce) he swapped to a short-scale hard-tail four-string by (shudder from Fender purists) Gibson.

But apart from hating both the trem and the only colour Fender offered in those days, and preferring a slightly shorter scale, Bruce did awesome things on the Bass VI. And in 2005, with the competition from Asia getting pretty hot, Fender finally issued something close to what he'd probably wanted all along... also made in Asia, but Bruce is British so he might not care too much about that. Whether the Fender Custom Shop does pink on CIJ models is another question. They probably would for the right photo, provided you have the right name and background... but you and I should not apply.

PS the one in the photos is mine, one of only two in Australia as far as I or Fender Australia know, and I love her dearly, the only thing I'd swap is I'd like a quick throw off hard rubber bridge mute like the early Jaguars had, it worked awesomely well. The heel of the right hand does a better job, but it's just one more thing to think about if you're singing too. And it's a pity Fender couldn't supply a case to fit it... Andrewa (talk) 20:03, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

See also http://tunings.pbworks.com/w/page/22530564/about%20Fender%20and%20names and scroll down to Baritone guitars. Andrewa (talk) 01:15, 23 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Nah. It's an advert. Probably not put up by a company, but certainly plenty of fanboy content, like standard mistakes of blurting out jargon ("belly-mounted" "fuzz switch") yet making no least attempt at definition, not linking to highly relevant articles (Baritone guitar) yet preserving dead links, and offering no credible referencesto back up the stated (OR) opinions. Weeb Dingle (talk) 06:14, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply... far better than your previous hit-and-run tagging. I'll try to address the valid issues you raise.
 * But I really wonder what your agenda here is... the above post is just littered with absurdities. Fanboy? Did you read my page? It ends up Pathetic, no? I am no mouthpiece for Fender! (I see you play Washburn... I play mainly Maton, and my main bass is a very old Guild but yes I do own a Fender Bass VI... the only Fender I have ever owned. And yes I like it! Horses for courses. None of my guitars are losers. Some require more understanding than others.)
 * Probably not put up by a company... That further indicates just how poor your guesswork is. No. It's definitely not by the company, as even a little thought would show.
 * And I don't know where you got the idea that belly-mounted and fuzz switch are standard mistakes... belly-mounted and fuzz are standard terms in the literature, not just in promotional literature. See http://thecountryclassics.com/jukebox/music/how-grady-martin-discovered-the-first-fuzz-effect one of the refs our article gives for fuzz, and I'm curious to know how you'd describe the short-form Gibson Maestro Vibrola if not as belly-mounted. Another bad guess on your part.
 * You make some good points. But they're nothing to do with advertising, so the ill-considered advert tag doesn't improve Wikipedia's content or credibility one bit. Andrewa (talk) 21:17, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

String tension
I've reverted this edit, which led to the article reading in part ...a slightly shorter scale length of 28.5" as opposed to the Bass VI's 30", giving it more string tension due to the less distributed weight along the scale length. This is just plain wrong.

It's not clear to me what the author means by distributed weight along the scale length. The three things that determine the pitch of a (uniform) vibrating string are: string tension, string length, and string mass per unit of length. Mersenne's laws tell us that the longer the string, the lower the pitch, the lower the tension, the lower the pitch, and the denser the string, the lower the pitch. So whatever the author means, I'm afraid it's led them to a conclusion that is exactly the opposite of the truth.

The shorter scale length means that the notes sound higher for the same strings and tension. That's how frets work. By shortening the string they make the string sound a higher note (the other two factors remaining the same).

So reducing the 30" scale length of the Fender Bass VI to the 28.5" of the Jaguar Baritone Custom would increase the pitch, all things being equal. The strings are the same, so the only way to restore the tuning down to E-E is to use slightly less tension.

I noted earlier that it was the only edit of this IP to date, but they've since returned,  so I'll drop them a welcome. Andrewa (talk) 20:08, 10 May 2013 (UTC)