Talk:Fender Twin Reverb

Revamp
I revamped a rather skeletal new article, added some technical info etc. I will eventually expand this as time permits, for such a popular amp it should have a proper article. Anyone who wants to jump in and help please do so. Tremspeed 08:32, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

inaccuracies
The Twin Reverb amplifier has not been in production since 1953 (inaccurate!). The Twin amplifier has been, but the Twin of 1953-55 was radically different than the Twin Reverb. There was no reverb, there was no tremolo, it was a wide panel tweed, the circuit was radically different and the tube compliment was different (6L6s were used, but they were cathode biased and all the preamp tubes were different). Thus, the comparison of the tweed models to the blackface and silverface models is inaccurate.

The Blackface Twin Reverb was the first amp designated the "Twin Reverb" due to the inclusion of the reverb circuit, made from 1963-1967.

The article states the blackface era of Fender was 1965-1967. As stated prior, the beginning was 1963.

There is no citation for the claim of the Twin Reverb being Fender's most popular amplifier.

There is no citation for the claim that the amplifier is known for its high quality reverb.

66.81.188.242 07:14, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the info - it's true, the earliest Twins didn't have Reverb-- the idea is to create the lineage of products in the context of the article. Ideally this article should be a great deal more detailed, I wasn't implying the definitive history of the Twin (Reverb) just a jump start. What would be more helpful than replacing the story of this lineage of amplifiers with a summary of facts from the Fender Field Guide would be working toward a more cohesive, readable article.

As for the claim of Fender's most popular amplifier, well, it's been in production almost non-stop (in the various incarnations) for more years than any other amplifier. That claim would be what I would consider common knowledge, and the quality of the reverb is even moreso.

Additionally, much of the information you added lacks a context on wikipedia or within this article. The idea is to present an overview -- referring to the black/silverface variants makes little sense without respective articles for these eras of Fender products. You're welcome to start in on those articles if you like.

I think a single article, with the lineage might be best.

I've heard claims that the Fender Princeton Chorus was the most popular amp. The Twin/Twin Reverb has been or shared the high end of Fender's line. Considering the changes from Fender ownership to CBS to independent, it is possible that no one knows.

Tremspeed 02:01, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Merge with Fender Twin
Although they are different circuits and the reverb units obviously sport reverb, I think that these are still the same product family and should be collected together in the same article. It seems kind of arbitrary to draw a line just because they added a reverb tank. The Fender Amp Field Guide agrees with me. Steve CarlsonTalk 06:24, 17 July 2008 (UTC) I live in Liverpool England and have a fender twin reverb II Paul Rivera era,my daughter threw away my fuse holders for this amp,they are a slot type 20mm black plastic tube with a spring inside.My twin has a yellow stanby switch on the front panel next to the on switch,can anybody help me find these impposible to find fuse holders? I don't even think Pual Rivera could. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.192.175.165 (talk) 00:04, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Merge with Fender Twin
I'll disagree with the assertion that the Twin-Amp and the Twin Reverb-Amp should be the in the same article. The Twin Reverb circuit is the "AB 763" which it shares with many other Fender Amps. It is a completely different design in almost all respects from the "Twin-Amp": the input section, tone controls, phase inverter and negative feedback, tremolo operating principle, power supply and tube voltages. The addition of reverb, of course, is an obvious change- its circuit exactly the same in all other "AB 763" amps. Later silver-face models are an evolution of the AB763. The "Twin Reverb-Amp" and the others which used the AB 763 circuit defined an era in Fender Amp history. A good reference is: A Desktop Reference of Hip Vintage Guitar Amps by Gerald Weber, Kendrick books, 1994.


 * The AB763 is actually several different circuit with and without reverb. I know.  I own a 1966 AB763 Showman.  It sounds like you just have an (understandable) bias in favor of a particular version.  You're allowed, but it has nothing to do with this article.  I have the latter book and will pull some references if/when I get a chance.  Maybe you'd like to write a breakout article about pre-reverb Twins? Micahmedia (talk) 23:47, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

The single article idea could work, but might become too large and too technical. Basic eras are: Early Tweed, Late Tweed, Transitional (Brown face), Black face, Silver face, and modern. There are overlaps in various models, but the casual reader should be able to make sense of these demarcations. Dktrfz (talk) 22:08, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I'll second a motion to merge the two articles, on the grounds that things like the Ford Mustang and Apple Macintosh are summed up on a page each. More information, if deemed significant, can be included in detailed break out articles.  Maybe a history of circuit design changes in a separate article?  I'm a picky nerd who can tell the difference by ear between tweed, blackface, silverface...but I believe there is a traceable lineage that makes sense in the context of a single article, that would help someone unfamiliar with the subject grasp the main ideas.  Micahmedia (talk) 23:42, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Evil Twin vs. Red Knob Twin
There is a common misconception that the Red Knob Twin "The Twin" is the same thing as the Evil Twin. It is not.

The Red Knob Twin was built from 87 until 94 and had red pointer knobs only in the first half of production period. Then there were the red knob twins that actually sported black pointer knobs. They are referred to as red knob twins nonetheless. http://www.ampwares.com/amp.asp?id=116

The Evil Twin "The Twin Amp" is still in production since 1995. http://www.ampwares.com/amp.asp?id=118

Additionally, since 1992 there is the '65 Reissue "Twin Reverb" http://www.ampwares.com/amp.asp?id=117 and recently the Tweed Twin Reissue "'57 Twin Amp" - not sure when it was introduced.

This is the understanding of most guys at http://www.fenderforum.com as well

Jergn (talk) 10:34, 13 March 2009 (UTC)