Talk:Fenwick High School (Oak Park, Illinois)

Fenwick
Why does the title indicate that Fenwick is located in Chicago? Oak Park is a suburb outside of the city. Also, the St. Ignatius-Fenwick rivalry is highly exaggerated, comparing it to Andover-Exeter. Oak Park and River Forest-Fenwick is probably bigger and it still is not as intense as PA-PE.

Puff-piece
This puff-piece, totally devoid of primary sources, has been put together by anonymous IPs who don't respond to warnings, several of which have been issued by myself and other editors. Every day it reads more like an ad, and I would encourage anyone who has a little time on their hands to spend it cleaning this mess up. I gave it a bit of a try, but couldn't verify almost any of it anywhere except on the school's own site, and even if I accepted all of that as fact, there were still claims (only HS in the US owned by the Dominican Order, for example) that not even the school's site reflected. (added by Poindexter Propellerhead | Talk at 17:16, May 27, 2007)

&mdash;  Jim Dunning  talk  : 20:59, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * We're getting some sources and adding cites now. This will help tone down the PR flavor to it.

Fenwick sourcing
One of the areas we're working on is to verify much of the information in the article and provide verifiable references. Most of the "facts" in the article have no sources attached to them and will be deleted soon if none can be found and added; this will effectively gut the article. We alert interested editors to this need (and danger) with maintenance tags, such as  ,    and   . However, one or two editors have been routinely removing them without making improvements to the sources issue (and have also been adding more "facts" without sources, thus adding to the problem). Two things happen as a result: (1) interested editors are not alerted as quickly to the important work to be done, and (2) readers are not alerted that the "facts" they are reading have not been vetted and may not be accurate. We certainly appreciate the interest these editors have in improving this article and hope they continue to contribute, but please do not remove maintenance tags without first completely resolving the issue in question. &mdash;  Jim Dunning  talk  : 21:33, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

&mdash;  Jim Dunning  talk  : 22:01, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * By the way, some may think I went a bit overboard with the tags, but I want to prove a point about how much of the article is unsourced.

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 * LB, Really a great job!. One of the best high school articles I have seen. I don't think anyone could really expect more.Dr.Oak (talk) 20:46, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

More Peer Review
Very special and public thanks to User:Ruhrfisch for his time and effort in peer reviewing this article. I have already taken some steps in regards to the suggestions. Aside from more references. There needs to be more addition by subtraction. The timeline near the end needs to be excised. I have not done this, because some of that needs to be added into the history section, and I would rather an editor more knowledgeable on such matters (and thankfully, I know there are at least one or two) handle that part so that it gets worded accurately. LonelyBeacon (talk) 20:26, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Also thanks to User:Finetooth. I just noticed that this was a separate editor, and not just "finer" suggestions being made by Ruhrfisch. LonelyBeacon (talk) 20:29, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Peer Review Corrections
Corrections made: Excised timeline, and scratched valedictorian and senior officers. Important dates were added into text with citation.Dr.Oak (talk) 00:58, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Re-assessment
I am re-assessing this article as B / High for WikiProject Schools. The peer review at Peer review/Fenwick High School (Oak Park, Illinois)/archive1 contains plenty of advice in improving the article. Overall, the article seems to be meet the standards for B-class and is on its way to GA. Additional hints I can give is to make sure the article uses appropriate cite templates such as cite web, expand the lead a bit more, ensure the article is fully compliant with the WP:MOS, and to investigate the copyright of the logo more as the licence's accuracy is a bit suspicious. I am giving the article high importance for its alumni, long history, notable teachers, and achievements. Camaron | Chris (talk) 16:39, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Alumni
I have to disagree with some of LonelyBacon's removal of alumni. both the General and WWII flying ace deserve their own pages within Wikipedia and have good sourcing to them, outside of Fenwick. Those two, at least, deserve to be brought back with valid sourcing.Catal uber (talk) 00:36, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

There is two General Healys, one major and one brigaider, and I beleive they are father and son. Sourcing is confussing and just removed alumnus for now till better sourcing emerges- but he should be in there. I sourced the ace, Cullerton, properlyCatal uber (talk) 01:11, 17 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm going to walk away from this article (again). It seems that difficulties seem to hang on it like an albatross.  Proceed as you will, I will not edit war over this. LonelyBeacon (talk) 01:34, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

reversing edits
why do you revert an edit by saying that it it not listed in a 2009 mag, when the citation comes from a site and indicated as such. The facts are correct, cited correctly, and can be checked as we speak. So what is your issue?Fenwick HS (talk)
 * The sources listed is "The Magazine, 2007" and "The Magazine, 2009". That's well before the 2010 events you are trying to source. Edward321 (talk) 00:13, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

That is not the souce I used or cited. You are just trying to create an excuse to revert.It is cited correctly. If you revert again, than you are just unethical. I also don't take bait of trolling. Fenwick HS (talk) 18:24, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Removing legitimate points
I don't really see the logic of removing a factually accurate point about the 2010-2011 standing on merit-based scholarships, nor that Fenwick was the 2011 conference chess champions, or removing a ton of notable alumni from the business section. This isn't a conflict of interest or a "prestige factor". No one is writing that Fenwick is the "greatest school". These are legitimate points, factual points. Now it did say that Fenwick achieved a "record" $40 million in merit-based scholarships- which is a record for the school- and may be confussed as a national record. That wording may be corrected. But $40 million in merit based scholarships- is simply a factual statement, and not a prestige issue in ay sort of way. Returning factual points with corrected wording.thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.7.196.150 (talk) 16:13, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

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I have removed a number of alumni who do not have wikipedia articles to show their notability. The edit is here is here in case anyone wants to attempt to write articles for any of them. Some of them may well be notable enough to qualify for an article, but none of them appear to meet the requirements to be presumed notable without an article. Meters (talk) 05:15, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
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