Talk:Feodor Chaliapin

Ömet Tawı, Kazan
Chaliapin was born in Ömet Tawı, Kazan. What is Ömet Tawı? Is it a part of Kazan? &mdash; Monedula 08:42, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

This what I've got:

Fedor Chaliapin was born on February 1 (OS) 1873 in Kazan, in the wing of merchant Lisitzin's house on the Rybnoryadskoaya Street, now Pushkin Street, 10 [sometimes named 14] (in the Soviet time it was Kuibyshev street, 14). This wing doesn’t exist now, but the house with the yard where the wing was situated is still there. On the next day, Candlemas Day, Fedor was baptized in Bogoyavlenkaya church in former Large Prolomnaya street (nowadays Bauman street). His God parents were the neighbours: the shoemaker Nikolay Tonkov and 12-year-old girl Ludmilochka Kharitonova.

The dwelling was expensive for Ivan Yakovlevich, served as a clerk in the Zemskaya Uprava (Land Council), and in 1878 the Chaliapin family moved to the village Ahmetyevo (also Ometyevo, or the Ometyev settlements, now the district of Kazan near Tikhomirnov street) behind the place named Sukonnaya Sloboda, and settled in a small house.

I try to incorporate this into the article, but please, correct my English.

AIDS
Just a note about the revision from the claim that he died of aids by User:Drinkbleach, I've reverted this back to Leukaemia. Documentable evidence of aids is current to about 1981, and it may have existed as far back as the 1970's, but Chaliapin died in 1938 when there is currently no evidence of the existence of aids. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.163.140.112 (talk) 17:35, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: not moved Armbrust The Homunculus 16:41, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Feodor Chaliapin → Fyodor Shalyapin – Per WP:RUS:
 * ё should be romanized as "yo". Currently the title uses "oa" for "я".
 * His family name starts with the letter "Ш", so in English in should be "Sh" and not "Ch".
 * я should be romanized as "ya". Currently the title uses "ia" for "я". Teyandee (talk) 15:38, 5 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Oppose. The article asserts that he used the romanization "Chyalapine" for his last name in the West, so that's the spelling that we should prefer, unless the best-quality sources refer to him by some other spelling. Standardized romanization is a fallback for those times when the preceding factors don't apply. 168.12.253.66 (talk) 18:29, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Chyalapine? I don't know what you're reading, but my screen says "He himself spelled his surname, French-style, Chaliapine in the West" (my bolding).
 * I've always argued that we should spell Sergei Rachmaninoff's name that way (and not Rakh- or -ov or anything else), because this is the version he himself chose to use. Surprisingly, I find myself not wedded to changing Chalia pin to Chalia pine, although the Rachmaninoff principle would seem to apply.  When I resolve this conflict, I'll get back to you. --  Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  19:43, 6 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Oppose. The present article title is as per most commonly used English reference works: e.g. Oxford Dictionary of Music, The Rough Guide to Opera and Kobbe (albeit, the last mentioned spells the first name Fedor). Certainly 'Shalyapin', though a more correct transliteration, is not what most English readers would look for to find the article. We should bear in mind what most people will look for as per WP:ENGLISH. Alfietucker (talk) 18:41, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The current title is his common name in the West, whatever common Romanisation today might be. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:26, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose (as the author of much of WP:RUS :)). The intent of the WP:RUS guideline is to resolve situations where no one commonly used English spelling exists or where several spellings are equally common. This is not the case with Chaliapin.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 7, 2013; 14:47 (UTC)
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Incorrect date on Ej, ukhnem!
This recording was 1922, not 1902. Here are all the recordings Chaliapin made in 1902: GRAMOPHONE AND TYPEWRITER, LTD. Continental Hotel, Moscow, between 23 and 28 January 1902 1.	Kak korol’ shyol na voynu (When the king went forth to war), Op. 7, No. 6 (Koenemann) 2.	Akh ty, solntse, solntse krasnoe (O thou sun, fair sun), Op. 10, No. 1 (Slonov) 3.	Elegiya: Lunnaya tikhaya noch’ (Elegy: Serene moonlit night) (Korganov) 4.	FAUST: Le veau d’or est toujours debout (Na zemle ves’ rod lyudskoy) (Gounod) 5.	Solovey (The Nightingale), Op. 60, No. 4 (Tchaikovsky) GRAMOPHONE AND TYPEWRITER, LTD. Continental Hotel, Moscow, late January or early February 1902 6.	Nochen’ka (Night) (Russian folk song) 7.	ZHIZN’ ZA TSARYA: Ty pridyosh’, moya zarya (A LIFE FOR THE TSAR: You will come, my dawn) (Glinka) 8.	Razocharovaniye (Disappointment), Op. 65, No. 2 (Tchaikovsky) Chaliapin recorded Ey, ukhnem! on October 9, 1922 (Victor 88663). Lauretano (talk) 05:16, 28 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Two things. First, you need to provide a citation for that information, otherwise it is just your assertion.  Second, this discussion really needs to be at File_talk:Эй,_ухнем!_-_Фёдор_Шаляпин.ogg to get the date there correct, the file is used in multiple WPs and on multiple articles in the English WP.  I've listened to the start of this recording and compared it to the Victor one and they sound rather different.  Either (1) someone has been cleaning up the Victor recording to make the Commons one or else (2) Chaliapin recorded it twice.  Either way we need information from a reliable source. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 10:16, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Dear Martin, I took your advice and consulted File_talk:Эй,_ухнем!_-_Фёдор_Шаляпин.ogg, which claims that that recording is not by Chaliapin at all. Lauretano (talk) 06:37, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I've responded there. The claim that it was Jadan doesn't stack up if the article on him on the Ukranian Wikipedia is correct.  I can't read Cyrillic, so I'm afraid my investigations are limited to obvious dates and if I have to then Google Translate. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 08:17, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

I have deleted Bertram and replaced it with Salieri. The reason is that he sang Bertram only while at the Mariinsky around 1894 before he came to the Mamontov Opera. Salieri was acclaimed by discerning critics (see, e.g., Levik "Reminiscences of an Opera Singer") as perhaps his greatest achievement, higher even than Boris. Unfortunately, that role needs a thorough knowledge of Russian on the part of the listener to be fully appreciated. However, he sang it in London in 1927 to a full house (Albert Hall?), see Moor's "Am I Too Loud?" Senior Seismologist (talk) 19:33, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Salieri instead of Bertram
Sorry, I did not start a new section to explain my edit, but inserted my explanation at the end of the preceding section. Also, this is a try at my correct signature en:Senior Seismologist — Preceding unsigned comment added by Senior Seismologist (talk • contribs) 19:42, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

It seems this is the correct signature: ChalSeismo (talk) 19:55, 21 July 2020 (UTC)