Talk:Ferdinand VII

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this article needs a short summary at the top

also, the claim that Manuel Godoy was Queen Maria Luisa's lover is unsubstantiated. My recent reading in general overviews of the period suggests that this was actually a myth propagated by the opponents of Charles IV and Manuel Godoy. It would be helpful if this was phrased more objectively.
 * The fact is that the queen, wanting to give a rest to her soul, confessed on her deathbed that none of her children was fathered by Charles IV. Therefore an alternative to Charles must be found, and providing that most of the sources point to Godoy, we should be content saying that he was the the most likely father of Ferdinand.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.113.117.251 (talk) 09:59, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Ancestor infobox
Cosmos666 has added a box which shows Alfonso's four grandparents and eight great-grandparents. This is certainly not usual for an encylopedia article (indeed, often not for a full-length book about the subject). I suggest removal. If not, what are the limits to this? Noel S McFerran 04:10, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Biased?
Obviously Ferdinand VII was not a pleasant person (that's quite an understatement) and I certainly don't intend to defend him. But even when describing the most despicable figures, Wikipedia has a NPOV policy which I'm inclined to think the current state of the article violates:
 * &ldquo;Ferdinand betrayed his associates and grovelled to his parents.&rdquo; &rarr; what kind of encyclopedia uses words like &ldquo;grovel&rdquo;?
 * &ldquo;He changed his ministers every few months, whimsical and ferocious by turns. The other autocratic powers of the Quintuple Alliance [&hellip;] watched his proceedings with disgust and alarm.&rdquo; &rarr; reference needed, at least!
 * &ldquo;His habits of life were telling on him. He became torpid, bloated and horrible to look at.he was very disgusting&rdquo; &rarr; uhmmmm, hello?
 * &ldquo;It had been a frequent saying with the more zealous royalists of Spain that a King must be wiser than his ministers for he was placed on the throne and directed by God. Since the reign of Ferdinand VII no one has maintained this unqualified version of the great doctrine of divine right.&rdquo;

etc. I suppose most or all of this is taken from the 1911 Britannica, but, please!, this needs to be reworded at least. So I'm adding  at the top. --Gro-Tsen (talk) 18:02, 25 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Obviously wording should be not be too evocative. However, when the secondary literature is in agreement that a certain person grovelled a lot, there's no reason not to mention this fact. In other words: the words can only be too evocative if they go beyond the evocative sourced facts :o).--MWAK (talk) 16:36, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

But he was Fernando, not Ferdinand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.28.66.201 (talk) 21:55, 27 December 2010 (UTC)


 * In many languages it is conventional to use their own name forms for foreign kings. That can be confusing. A Dutchman might not recognise Guillermo de Orange for Willem de Zwijger.--MWAK (talk) 16:36, 4 July 2015 (UTC)


 * terms like "grovelled" are not NPOV. "Submitted" it much better. I've taken out a lot of the rubbish including the stuff about the paternity. Not sure how Godoy could have inseminated the Queen of Spain from 300km way at the age of 14.  Tigerboy1966  19:19, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

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massive penis
Ferdinand_VII was reputed to have a massive penis, that caused problems with his wives, ability to procreate etc. worth a mention, or don't we do that to royalty (even if they are long gone). 86.214.233.173 (talk) 02:47, 22 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Hmmmm interesting. I was checking out your claim and indeed it may have historical basisunless I misread the El Mundo blog post. Thinker78  (talk) 00:34, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

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