Talk:Ferdinand von Sammern-Frankenegg

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The description of Category:War criminals states: This category contains the names of people convicted of war crimes and related subcats. (emphasis mine -- int19h) So either my edit was correct, or that description is wrong. I'm assuming the first to be the case and re-reverting. If you believe the description is indeed wrong, then let's go ahead and discuss it at Category talk:War criminals. -- int19h 13:29, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Geez. it's old, now you have http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:People_convicted_of_war_crimes check out. --HanzoHattori 13:46, 6 September 2006 (UTC)


 * The category you refer to has been recently introduced by a single user in a broken edit attempt. Most convicted war criminals (e.g. Heinrich Himmler, and indeed all others convicted in the course of Nuremberg Trials) are still at Category:War criminals. Furthermore, the description at Category:War criminals still says what it says. Like I said, if you feel it's wrong, let's go ahead and discuss it there. I will not revert this time, but I will do that eventually, for the sake of consistency, if Category:War criminals remains as it is, and no attempt at discussion shall be made. -- int19h 14:00, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Excuse me? Himmler COMMITED SUICIDE just after he was arrested. Now, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:People_convicted_in_the_Nuremberg_Trials - tadam! Any more questions, or weird claims? --HanzoHattori 20:59, 6 September 2006 (UTC)


 * The description of Category: War criminals still does not match its contents. I want them to be consistent, that is all. If you want another name, there's Rudolf Hess, for example - he was convicted, and is listed at both Category: War criminals and Category:People convicted in the Nuremberg Trials, but not at Category:People convicted of war crimes. Ditto for Joachim von Ribbentrop. Clearly there's no established consensus on the use of existing categories. Therefore I ask to discuss it so we can reach a certain decision on how to categorise people known to be, claimed to be, or convicted of war crimes, and consistently implement it throughout the relevant articles. I'm not trying to push any political agenda here, only striving for consistency. Also, since the discussion is becoming less and less relevant to this article, I suggest that any further discussion should move to Category talk:War criminals, as the (potentially) widest category of all being discussed. I have already stated my issues with Category: War criminals being used for any people labelled "war criminals" (and not convicted of such) there, and would appreciate your comments. -- int19h 06:51, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Are you new to Wikipedia? You can't be at once in People convicted of war crimes and People convicted in the Nuremberg Trials - the latter is a subcategory of former. War criminals is who people who weren't tried, but are commonly cosidered as such. Just get over it. Geez. --HanzoHattori 13:27, 7 September 2006 (UTC)


 * My mistake - didn't notice it's a subcat, and I didn't realise that subcats do not propagate to parent. As for "getting over it" - well, didn't I? I'm not reverting the categorisation anymore. I do have issues with your interpretation of what Category: War criminals is, though, and that is what I'd like to talk about. -- int19h 14:13, 7 September 2006 (UTC)