Talk:Fereydan

The name of the city is FARIDAN
and not Fereydan !!! please change it.

__________________________________________________ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.135.38.128 (talk) 17:16, 25 August 2008 (UTC)


 * IT IS fEREYDAN. SORRY FOR YOUR WRONG GUESS.--Babakexorramdin (talk) 22:15, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

For further information...
Someone should look to the french version for a more comprehensive list of the villages in Peria, and translate it into english if needed. Thanks in advance. Koko da Armenian

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Boloran ==' ==

It is now written that Boloran is still inhabited by Armenians. I know this region rather well but have no clue about it. When was it still inhabited and where is this village located? Any information is appreciated.
 * Hey! It's good to hear from someone who knows this region! To be true, when I last visited this region (looking for Armenian monuments, churches, and of course inhabitants), it was in 2001. So at that time, this village was stil inhabited by Armenians. I even saw an Armenian wedding. But now, I have no idea if there are still Armenians in Boloran. This summer, I'll go and "check". By the way, you didn't introduce yourself, who are you?? Sincerely, Koko da Armenian


 * Are you Fereydani yourself? I remember that I had statistical data of region by 1998. I remember this name but I think it was mentioned deserted. It is interesting that people come back. However I know another village Zarne, which is 100% Armenian and it has a historical church. Another villages inhabited by Armenians are Khoygan and Gharghan (you called it Gharghoon!). Some Armenians in Esfahan told me that they are from Senegerd but do not live there any more permanently. They had still properties there but had moved to Esfahan. I have also seen an Armenian man who said that he wanted to move back permanently to Fereydan. There is/was also an Armenian hospital (whatever this might mean!; I do not know much about this) The region is less empty of Armenians as one thought before, but the fact is that while Georgians regard this region as theirs and do their best to develop it, Armenians leave the region. The relationship between Armenians and Moslems has been well there. Note that Fereydani Georgians are Shiite Moslems. The exodus from Fereydan has had to do with the Armenian urban networks. Still they own land in Fereydan but live in the cities as Urban people.

Babakexorramdin 18:10, 21 April 2007 (UTC)


 * You're probably right, this region might still have some Armenians. Actually, my mom is from Tehran (Armenian born in Tehran), but her dad (my grand-pa) was born in Sangbaran (once an Armenian village in Fereydan). That's partly why I'm very interested with this region. Plus, you're absolutely right: there were (and maybe still are) a lot of Georgians in Fereydan too, but as far as I know, they turned into moslem and lost their language. They might have as well emigrated. I'm not sure at all about those facts. But for sure, they (Georgians) are a lot in Fereydunshahr.

Koko da Armenian

dear Koka,

It i9s cointested wether the Fereydani georgians entered the regions as Moslems or as Christians. The fact is however that Fereydani Georgians are Shiite Moslems and speak georgian language. They have not lost their language! Many Iranian georgians have lost their language, but in Fereydan (especially Fereydunshahr) it is very well preserved. Another thing is that Georgian could be Moslem or Christian. Georgians are traditionally more tolerant towards religion, but when an Armenian changes religion he is automatically not an Armenian any more. this is why the Armenians who became Moslems lost their Armenian identity, but georgian moslems went on as Georgians. The only Armenian Moslem ethnic group is the Hemshin in Turkey but they are not viewed as Armenians by other Armenians.Maybe as a reaction they do not call themselves Armenian anymore, but they still speak west-Armenian and are aware of their Armenianness. 16:07, 6 June 2007 (UTC) Babakexorramdin 16:07, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Redundancy
Fereydan_County and Fereydan seem redundant, merge? - Wherewithal (talk) 12:40, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Expansion
It might also be worth noting the migration of many Fereydani-Armenians to Soviet Armenian (~1947+). If I recall correctly, these migrations were induced by misleading claims of a "better life" by Armenian nationalists, and by Soviets opening their border. This was done under the auspices of repopulating parts of A.S.S.R. depopulated by Stalin.

Additionally, there is an annual meet-up of "Peretsi"s at Rose Bowl Park in Pasadena Balboa Park. - Wherewithal (talk) 12:40, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

The article
No reliable references is listed. The tone of material listed is completly biased. It provides little actual/factual information. There is supposadly a book (???) listed as reference, but it is not clear where and when and in what language it was published. Overall no offence but this is a very low quality article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ddd0dd (talk • contribs) 04:04, 13 February 2009 (UTC) ____> Actually there is supposadly a reference but it is just above the article, poeple you need to learn how to make proper references. Secondly, it is not clear how realible this book is. There are many claims that are made that need verification. E.g:" but there were no bridges available and the Persians (having learned that the Ottomans were in the surrounding area) forced the Armenians to swim across the river. Old men, women and children jumped into the freezing waters of the Araks -- only the fortunate few successfully made it to the opposite side; the rest died as their bodies floated on the waves of the Araks river.""Perians proved to contradict the Shah's predictions, as they fought to maintain their cultural and religious identities. Several Armenians of Peria were butchered to death for refusing to become Muslims.""In 1851, 4,949 people lived in 19 villages; by 1910 the population increased by more than 200 percent (25 villages were populated by 12,083 people). "

These are pretty big claims, they need verification from different sources. The tone of this article seems to has more of a nationalistic and mourn tone rather than a proper historic record. E.G"Peria had rich soil and a climate that favored the agriculturists. The Armenians were reminded of their homeland as they glanced over the heavenly landscape of Peria"

Also people you need to verify whether this Area is still populated by these two groups. 04:20, 13 February 2009 (UTC)~DDD0DD —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ddd0dd (talk • contribs)
 * Yes I agree. this is a low quality article. The main part is copied from an Armenian Article, which is preoccupied by the mentality of victimisation of Armenians at the hand of local Muslims. It is factual inaccurate.--Babakexorramdin (talk) 14:00, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Now I see that the deleted piece was cut and pasted from here, and I agree with deletion as copyright violation. However I disagree with your reasons about "victimization" and "factually inaccurate". The word "victimization" is disrespect for historical content, and many victims justly preoccupied with their history, such as history of Baltic States within Soviet Union and many other examples. Second, the statement "factually inaccurate" normally must be proved. However I will not contest this issue either, since I failed to establish the expertise of the author, Jacklin Gharibian. Still, in the future please don't use these arguments alone: please keep in mind that opinions of wikipedians are valid only if they are supported by published sources. Dzied Bulbash (talk) 20:27, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Jacklin Gharibian is not an expert on the Iranian Armenians, nor is there any evidence that she has been in the region or Iran at all recently. Armenians can interpret their history as they want, but it is not allowed to project their history with the Turks, Kurds, Georgians, Azeris of the Caucasus to everywhere else. Iranian Armenians did not experience anything as Genocide. And no one has chased them out of Fereydan. They are still there. But a large number of them rather lives in the city. Armenians in the Caucasus undertain a problematic relastions with both Muslims and Georgians. But Gharibian's logic suffers. The reality in the caucasus does not mean that Muslim Georgians of Fereydan are at odd with Armenians. Do you see the fallacy?--Babakexorramdin (talk) 01:15, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Numbers
"Today, Fereydan Georgians (5,000,000) are more than Georgians, which live in Georgia. (Less than 4,000,000)."

I find this hard to believe, considering that (a) Wikipedia lists the entire population of Isfahan (the province containing Fereydan) as under 5,000,000 and (b) the Georgians_in_Iran page lists their number as 61,000. Please provide a citation or delete.