Talk:Fergie (singer)/Archive 3

Requested move (January 2013)

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The result of the move request was: No consensus. Cúchullain t/ c 20:36, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Fergie (singer) → Fergie (entertainer) – She's more than just a singer. Following the example of Chris Brown (American entertainer).  Statυs ( talk ) 16:16, 14 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Support Yes, her work is far beyond music. — ΛΧΣ  21  23:33, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:PRECISION and English language. Sorry but in what way does this singer notably "entertain" other than by singing and spin-off activities? Every singer in Category:American female singers does the odd TV guest spot. As for the proposed disambiguator "(entertainer)" this is a neologism in this sense. The traditional meaning of entertainer is an entertainer, not a singer with a few acting credits. The example cited at the two Chris Browns appears to have been the result of local page moves - cf. (cur | prev) 19:50, 16 March 2011‎ Flyer22 (talk | contribs)‎ m . . (4,965 bytes) (0)‎ . . (moved Chris Brown (Canadian singer) to Chris Brown (Canadian entertainer): Per talk page in January 2010... Talk:Chris Brown (American singer)#Title of article. Both are more than just singers.) (undo)... rather than any meaningful discussion. Somebody needs to bring a RM to return Chris Brown (Canadian singer) and Chris Brown (American singer) to something less pretentious and more in tune with WP:PRECISION. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:49, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
 * She doesn't have "a few acting credits", her career BEGAN as an actress. Also, she's not just a singer, but also a rapper, songwriter and record producer. See Pitbull (entertainer) for another example, and he hasn't acted a day in his life.  Statυs ( talk ) 19:29, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
 * That move of Pitbull (rapper) to this WP:RECENT usage was passed on 1x !vote despite not a single printed source supporting "the entertainer Pitbull" wheras "the rapper Pitbull" has 141x printed sources hits in GoogleBooks. Wikipedia isn't a blog, it's an encyclopedia and we don't cater to neologisms. No matter that rappers want to be called "entertainers," they aren't, not in the printed sources universe. The Pitbull move should be reversed, it's counter printed sources. In ictu oculi (talk) 19:49, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
 * "Madonna singer" gets 57.3 million hits, while "Madonna entertainer" gets 5.2 million hits. What's your point? And this isn't a discussion about what a rapper wants to be called. Fergie is both a rapper and a singer. So having just singer in her title is wrong. Unless you think Fergie (singer/rapper) will work better than Fergie (entertainer)...  Statυs  ( talk ) 23:59, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
 * FWIW:
 * "singer Madonna" gets 3,220x hits in GB. "entertainer Madonna" gets 175x.
 * "singer Fergie" gets 110x hits in GB. "entertainer Fergie" gets 0x.
 * Sorry but your RM is contradicted by printed sources. Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 11:12, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
 * No. "Singer Madonna" gets 208,000 results, while "Entertainer Madonna" gets 6,710. Stop making up numbers.  Statυs ( talk ) 19:33, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Status, do you understand the difference between Google and Google Books? In ictu oculi (talk) 15:13, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
 * In ictu oculi, do you understand the difference between actual numbers and ones made-up off the top of your head? I used Google books. Also, why are you using Google France? That only shows results pertaining to France. For an American artist, you use Google.com.  — Statυs  ( talk,  contribs ) 02:05, 22 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Oppose; she is still best known as a singer. Even on KIDS: Incorporated, the actors were chosen primarily for their singing ability.  Powers T 22:33, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Who said anything about acting? An entertainer doesn't even mean an actor. It means somebody who entertains. Fergie is a not only a singer, but also a rapper (she raps on close to half of her songs, and singing and rapping is not the same thing), songwriter and record producer. She doesn't just sing.  Statυs ( talk ) 23:51, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Who said? You did, up above.  Please review.  Powers T 02:43, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
 * All I said was that she did more than "a few acting credits". I never said that had anything to do with this RM. Please review.  Statυs ( talk ) 02:45, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
 * You also said "Her career BEGAN as an actress", implying that that contributed in a significant way to her notability. I apologize if that was not your intent, but it was that on which I was commenting.  Powers T 02:54, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
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Requested move (February 2013)

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. Jafeluv (talk) 07:14, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Fergie (singer) → Fergie (entertainer) – I've noticed a "pattern" of sorts among naming conventions of articles about singers: Cassie Ventura - singer and model - Cassie (entertainer) Aubrey Graham - rapper and actor - Drake (entertainer) Madonna Ciccone - singer and actress - Madonna (entertainer) However, Fergie is not only a singer, but also has held several television/acting roles, yet her article is located at Fergie (singer). I would think that moving the page to Fergie (entertainer) would not only encompass the multiple aspects of her career, but would also keep consistency among article namings. WikiRedactor (talk) 18:35, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose I've expressed this concern elsewhere—we seem very quick to apply the "entertainer" label to anyone who has been involved in multiple forms of entertainment. Problem is, most of these people are primarily notable for one form of entertainment. Fergie is chiefly a singer, and sure, she's done some acting. So has Flea (musician) (more, from the looks of it). I see this as a WP:COMMONNAME problem. Unless we're talking about, say, Cedric, "entertainer" is simply not a term frequently used in everyday speech, and thus an unlikely search term and a bad choice for article titles. (entertainer) is proper if the subject has equally notable roles in multiple realms of entertainment, but that's not the case here. --BDD (talk) 19:08, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose - sorry but it's a neologism in this usage and we shouldn't be using it for most if not all of the others either. An entertainer is someone who gets up and entertains, such as a music hall song and skit man. "rapper Drake" 553 000x Gresults, "entertainer Drake" 21,900 Gresults. "drake the entertainer" 507,000x "drake the entertainer" 16,600x results. Not even worth testing for Fergie, she's a singer. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:28, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I've put in RMs for Talk:Cassie (entertainer) and Talk:Drake (entertainer). Should really put in "entertainer Madonna" despite only 160x GB results to "singer Madonna" 3,230x GB results but fan base on Talk page suggests the article is part of a different wikipedia to the rest of the project. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:14, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Madonna has a long list of movies plus other credits, such as producer. To call her just a singer is a non-starter. Sure a stand up comedian is an entertainer, but so is a movie star/singer. Apteva (talk) 04:22, 23 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Oppose. Fergie (singer) should be at Fergie.  St at  us   03:33, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Obviously. Of the two that could be called Fergie, Fergie (DJ) has been viewed 3005 times in the last 90 days, while Fergie (singer) has been viewed 596654 times in the last 90 days. Apteva (talk) 23:23, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Obviously not, it would be Sarah Fergusson, the Duchess of York, or Alex Fergusson, per the last few requested moves on "Fergie" -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 00:52, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
 * The singer got 607,424 views, the Duchess 133,642 views, and the manager 525,991 views in the last 90 days. Apteva (talk) 01:58, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Those stats show that the singer isn't the primary topic. -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 22:40, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Speedy close; this was just discussed two months ago. Powers T 01:34, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
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Requested move (May 2013)

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. Nathan Johnson (talk) 15:34, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Fergie (singer) → ? – Even when many sources nowadays call her "Fergie", should natural disambiguation be used over parenthetical disambiguation? If so, should the title change to either Stacy Ferguson, prior stage name, or Stacy Ann Ferguson, birth name? Relisted. BDD (talk) 18:12, 15 May 2013 (UTC) George Ho (talk) 07:06, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose; in this case, natural disambiguation would change the form of her commonname too much. Powers T 15:30, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Cassie Ventura is called "Cassie", but the title is still "Cassie Ventura". Brandy Norwood is called "Brandy", but she is titled "Brandy Norwood". I guess nickname that is not the first name overcomes birth (or prior stage) names. --George Ho (talk) 16:56, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * "Cassie Ventura" contains the term "Cassie", "Brandy Norwood" contains the term "Brandy", neither of your choices contains "Fergie" -- 65.94.76.126 (talk) 05:19, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Bingo. George, I have no idea what your point is.  Powers T 15:55, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose Who is Stacy Ferguson? The girl who provided her voice to Penauts? I really doubt a non-BEP fan, a.k.a. normal reader, would know her by her name, or even her birth name. WP:COMMONAME still applying. If you don't like the DAB in titles, as you denoted at Madonna's RM, go and change the policy or guideline, not the articles. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  01:45, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Fergie's real names are not commonly known or used. Apteva (talk) 03:16, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Support a movie to Fergie, as the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC.  — Statυs  ( talk,  contribs ) 03:20, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose Fergie suggestion. We've discussed that particular move several times, and it's failed many times. It hasn't met PrimaryTopic, because we have Sir Alex Ferguson "Fergie" and Duchess of York "Fergie". -- 65.94.76.126 (talk) 05:22, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Support a move to Fergie, though definitely not a movie. Face-smile.svg Red Slash 22:53, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose any move. Almost no one calls Fergie by her given name; she is by far better known as Fergie so that's what the article should be called, per WP:COMMONNAME. I'd also oppose moving the article to Fergie. WP:PRIMARYTOPIC says that a topic must be "much more likely than any other topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined". I don't think that this Fergie has reached that level of dominance over Alex Ferguson or the Duchess of York to be considered the primary topic for this name. ItsZippy (talk • contributions) 09:19, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:26, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose - She is commonly known as Fergie, but she has no more right to that nickname than either Alex Ferguson or Sarah Ferguson. Keep as is. – PeeJay 11:36, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Was "Fergie" a nickname for Alex and Sarah before? ...Well, nevermind. There is another singer nicknamed "Fergie" for Dennis Frederiksen. --George Ho (talk) 13:01, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Are you kidding? You've never heard of the longest-serving manager in the history of Manchester United and one of the most outspoken royals to date? – PeeJay 21:34, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I heard of Sarah "Fergie" Ferguson (not her nickname), but not Alex. Why do you write this type of message as if the familiarity is a big deal to you? --George Ho (talk) 22:47, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose I certainly think the pop singer is the most recognizable holder of the name, especially since it's her stage name and not a familiar nickname. That said, I do not think she is far enough ahead of the others to clearly be the primary topic. Mkdw talk 02:41, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
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Not a rapper
Fergie is a singer within a group that is instrumental in her notoriety. She is not a rapper who makes a living from composing songs, creating lyrics, and producing beats - otherwise known as rapping. This shouldn't even be up for discussion, actually. I'm baffled as to why it is.shiznaw (talk) 17:49, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 26 July 2013
Fergie has legally changed her name to Fergie Duhamel according to CNN (Request is to change references to "Stacy Ann Ferguson" to either "Fergie" or "Fergie Duhamel" in accordance with her legal name change.)

Spencerblackwell (talk) 19:42, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Spencerblackwell, do you have a source for this? I couldn't find anything. Thanks. Acalamari 20:23, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I assume this is what they are referring to, and it just says about how she filed to change her name. It hasn't happened yet. <font face="Arial" size="2em"> — Statυs  ( talk,  contribs ) 20:37, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Name change was completed 16-August-2013 http://www.tmz.com/2013/08/16/fergie-name-change-legal/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.223.116.201 (talk) 18:06, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Is there a better source than TMZ available? I couldn't find any reliable ones. Acalamari 18:16, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
 * How about Huffington Post, People Magazine, and Us Magazine? Josh Duhamel was also just on Watch What Happens Live on Bravo tonight and said it himself.  If her name has legally changed, shouldn't the article stop referring to her as Stacy Ferguson? NickL1185 (talk) 06:34, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. I'm not sure what you are asking for. Do you think the article should be move?  If so, please use the proper template to put this in the page moving process.  Is there just text that need to be changed, and if so, what text and how should it be changed exactly? —   00:45, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
 * The article should not introduce and subsequently refer to her as Stacy Ann Ferguson. References to her as "Ferguson" other than the section listing her birth name should be changed to Duhamel being that it is now her legal surname, or otherwise simply refer to her by her stage name, Fergie, as with Cher.  I clarified the previous user's request above with parentheses.  NickL1185 (talk) 03:35, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Infobox
The infobox on this article has twice been changed from Template:Infobox musical artist to Template:Infobox person. I don't feel that this change is needed, as Fergie is primarily known as a musical artist; her work with the Black Eyed Peas and her solo work are far more notable than her other endeavors. It's not really worth switching the template for a couple of extra fields or so. Acalamari 13:07, 13 January 2014 (UTC)


 * You can incorporate a lot more information about her life in such a format- it strikes a fine balance between both her musical career and personal life (of which I am sure most people would be more interested in). There must be more information in that infobox than just about her musical career. Its purpose is to be a summary of her life as well- which you have clearly neglected?
 * The edited version which you twice reverted is far more efficient than the previous one- I suggest it be used.
 * Miss.Indecisive (talk) 13:35, 13 January 2014 (UTC)


 * You know, in the past few weeks I've noticed several Musical artist infoboxes be switched to Infobox person, not just this one; I'm still sure that Fergie, regardless of her married life, should have the Musical artist infobox due to her musical career being the most prominent but, in fairness, I could be wrong. Pinging Yngvadottir and Shearonink for their input, as they seem to be a little more up on current infobox practices than I am; I'll abide by whatever they recommend and if they support your change, I'll respect that and follow the consensus while simultaneously keeping informed of the most recent infobox standards. Acalamari 14:33, 13 January 2014 (UTC)


 * At first glance, it would seem that Infobox musical artist is of course more appropriate for this subject than Infobox person. Even "Template:Infobox person" says "Only use those parameters that convey essential or notable information about the subject." This subject is known for being a musical artist, that particular Infobox conveys the information in a summary form while providing a short overview of her career and life. All that being said, however, I did not realize until I started tinkering with the code, that the Musical artist Infobox does not have a parameter for spouse or children and that this information cannot be added while using that particular Infobox...it would seem to me that Fergie's marriage to Josh Duhamel is part of what she is known-for, just like Will Smith being known for being married to Jada Pinkett Smith and Richard Burton was known for his multiple marriages, two of which included Elizabeth Taylor. And all of those articles - Will Smith, Richard Burton, Elizabeth Taylor - all of them use Infobox person instead of Infobox musical artist/actor/whatever.  Miss Indecisive, I think that in the future, when you want to change the Infobox of a long-standing article, could you first post about your intentions on the article's talk page? Explain your reasons for wanting to change the Infobox and you could possibly gather an editorial consensus for your wanted changes. I agree with Miss Indecisive on this one...I think all the present Musical artist parameters for Fergie's present Infobox can be incorporated into the Person Template. Shearonink (talk) 00:25, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Sounds reasonable to me. :) Infobox person restored. Acalamari 08:46, 15 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Will do, Shearonink :) Thank you for the consensus! And thank you Acalamari for restoring the infobox person! Miss.Indecisive (talk) 03:03, 16 January 2014 (UTC)


 * I have to agree with Acalamari's original stance that this change is not needed, as the subject is primarily notable as a musical artist, far more so than anything else. Neither Will Smith and Richard Burton are good examples as they are both primarily notable as actors.


 * Infobox musical artist summarises the person's life as a musician, if their personal life is relevant to their popularity or importance, then this can be discussed in the body of the article. Changing the template for extra fields about the personal life does not seem justified, unless it a reason for their notability. I do not see Fergie as a special case of being a musician where parameters are needed to be accommodated to include her personal life. Where is the line drawn? John Lennon had a famous marriage with Yoko Ono, should that be changed for that reason alone? Tanbircdq (talk) 23:15, 26 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Why does the Infobox (which is supposed to be a summary or overview of the article) for some musical artists ignores their personal life when the personal life is such a large part of the article itself? To use the John Lennon article as an example, each person mentioned in the Personal relationships section has their own Wikipedia article and yet they are not mentioned within the John Lennon Infobox itself.  Why? Because that Infobox is the Musical artist variant.  Embedding one of these Infoboxes within the other is a way of incorporating and summarizing an article's important points and is being discussed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Infoboxes. Shearonink (talk) 00:23, 27 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Please explain how one paragraph containing three sentences is a large part of this article?
 * Regarding the parameters, the same could be said about other infoboxes as well, such as Infobox artist. Therefore, would not a discussion to add the parameters to these infoboxes on Template talk:Infobox musical artist be more constructive than throw out the baby with the bath water by simply merging them to Infobox person?
 * Although there are justified reasons to change an infobox, such as if the subject becomes more notable for reasons other than being a musician or artist, such as Jennifer Lopez, Cher, Victoria Beckham, Queen Latifah, Mandy Moore etc. However, in Fergie's case it is a reason unrelated to her notability therefore this would not apply. Fergie would not have an article of her own for just being married to Josh Duhamel therefore why accommodate the article purely for this reason alone?

Even though she is known as a musical artist, I see no reason to COMPLETELY disregard her personal life in the infobox- almost as if none of it matters, yet this is her personal page! Why do so when you can incorporate both??? The previous format had a blend of both and I do not understand why you removed it so abruptly. At least it gets an efficient amount of information across- the people interested in information about her musical life are satisfied, and those interested in information about her personal life are satisfied.

Miss.Indecisive (talk) 06:31, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 27 February 2015
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The result of the move request was: Not moved. There is consensus that the current disambiguator is better than the proposed one, and also no consensus for the altnernative suggestion of making this a primary topic. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 10:23, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Fergie (singer) → Fergie (entertainer) – See Glostix's reasons below, I'm just filling up the template.  Edgars2007  (talk/contribs) 16:42, 27 February 2015 (UTC) Fergie (singer) → Fergie (entertainer) for the pure and simple fact; prior to joining the all female R&B and pop girl group Wild Orchid in 1992; Fergie was a child actress who lent her voice to such roles as Sally Brown in 1984-1986 and was a regular on the American programme Kids Incorporated from 1984 - 1989; albeit Fergie is most commonly known as a singer/rapper I do suggest we change it to (entertainer) as she has done more than just sing/rap. Glostix (talk) 17:00, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Support. Glostix's reason sounds good enough. –  nafSadh did say 21:33, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment. Note that there have been several move requests. See at the top of the page. -- Edgars2007  (talk/contribs) 22:19, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose per English sources, where the singer is not known as an "entertainer". User:Nafsadh please check to see whether zero results for "the entertainer Fergie" or "the singer Fergie" 356 hits is more common in Google Books. In ictu oculi (talk) 05:22, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 * The question is, whether classifying her as singer accurate or we more generic term entertainer applies. No doubt most people know her for her singing career; but that won't change the fact that her other forms of entertaining activities are also known. –  nafSadh did say 06:12, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 * User:Nafsadh the description "the entertainer X" in English is used to refer to all-rounders, music hall and vaudeville, comedy singers and so on, it isn't used for mainstream popsingers such as Fergie except in hagiographic sources. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:47, 1 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment. In addition to that, she regularly hosts/appears Dick Clark's New Year's Rockin' Eve and starred in a mid-budget film called Grindhouse on Planet Terror (2007) dir. by Robert Rodriguez. In my opinion, I think it is both valid to either call her an singer or an entertainer, but she's no Madonna.Smarty9108 (talk) 23:04, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Everyone knows her as a singer and pretty much that only. – Davey 2010 Talk 06:44, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment. But why does it have to be what mostly the General public thinks or considers her? Just asking kindly. Smarty9108, Discuss with me 23:03, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. She's known mostly as a singer than anything else --<font color="#cc0000">w <font color="#00cc00">L &lt;speak&middot;check&gt; 23:16, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Suggestion: how about just Fergie with no brackets? Cause she's clearly the most famous person known as just Fergie. Unreal7 (talk) 12:49, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Support move to "Fergie" per Unreal7. Definitely the primary topic, so no DAB needed. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 00:50, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Leave it as "Fergie (singer)". Regardless of how she got her start in show-business (as an actress while a child), she is now primarily known as a singer, as a member of the Black-Eyed Peas.  I also oppose renaming this article as simply "Fergie".  The Duchess of York was more widely & popularly known as "Fergie" before Miss Ferguson was.  Many people will put in "Fergie" to look for any number of biographical articles. To forestall possible confusion between all the various Fergies, Fergie should be reserved for the present disambiguation page. Shearonink (talk) 01:57, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose She is still primarily known as a singer. Furthermore, despite the (unsupported) claims above, there is no clear primary topic, so the main Fergie page should remain as a disambiguation. - Arjayay (talk) 09:35, 6 March 2015 (UTC)


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Religion in infobox?
Seeking consensus as to whether or not her religion should be included in the infobox. Shearonink (talk) 02:01, 6 March 2015 (UTC)


 * No. Even many users said it should not be added for necessary reasons. Smarty9108 (talk) 02:07, 6 March 2015 (UTC)


 * For the same type of reasons I gave at Mariah Carey's talk page, it's not worthy of including in Fergie's infobox. <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 02:10, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm interested in why it is not worthy. If someone's parents are listed in the infobox as is the case with many biographical articles, why not their religion?  What makes parents any more noteworthy than the religion? Shearonink (talk) 02:19, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm actually laughing upon why Seth MacFarlane's religion is listed on his infobox. Smarty9108 (talk) 02:22, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Or used to be. Smarty9108 (talk) 02:23, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 8 February 2016
Fergie's new Album is going to be out in march and is going to be called Double Dutchess

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Fergie Duhamel
Wasn't Fergie's name legally changed to Fergie Duhamel? The lead and Infobox are currently not mentioning it. Israell (talk) 02:19, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

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2003–2006: Success with The Black Eyed Peas
Second paragraph of this section is very confusing... singles for Monkey Business album are listed out of order. Oh no! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.252.132.6 (talk) 15:36, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

Fergie is not 34, she is 45. Fix the DOB and age.
Mario Lopez dated her and had her first kiss with her in 1984 - she would have been 1 year old if the current page is true. YUCK! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fergieisold (talk • contribs) 22:37, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

DOB is incorrect based on cited references
Based off all the listed reference links fergie should be listed as born in 1975 making her 42 years old. Mamawirt (talk) 07:57, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

DOB fixed in line with reference
User Goalsmini changed the subject's birth year to 1983 simply because the user felt "she is not that old." Stacy Ferguson, based upon the cited reference (and references all over the place) was born in 1975. I've fixed her birth year in line with citations. HillbillyProfane (talk) 15:50, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks!

Place of birth
When equally reliable sources disagree, we include both; otherwise it's disallowed POV, and a WP:BLP vio. (See Mariah Carey, Mick Mars, etc.) Neither User:Krychek nor any user can unilaterally declare AllMusic and particularly Biography.com — an A&E Networks-owned cable network literally specializing in biography, with an entire research staff — to be non-RS. And his edit-summary claim "Whittier is a more likely place of birth" is disallowed OR speculation. The next step is to come to the talk page to work out the discrepancy. --Tenebrae (talk) 15:57, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Biography.com's so-called "research staff" has been known to paraphrase Wikipedia articles for quite some time now. This type of circular reporting is exactly the opposite of reliable. Also, have a look at the Wild Orchid entry at allmusic.com (https://www.allmusic.com/artist/wild-orchid-mn0000959591/biography) -- it says Fergie was born in Whittier. And here's another journalistic source . I honestly don't care about either town -- I have no connection to California whatsoever. I'm perfectly fine with mentioning both places until someone can find a definitive answer. Though I don't know what that would be, short of a birth certificate. Krychek (talk) 16:42, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
 * That's a reasonable, collegial compromise. I do want to hear more about whether Biography.com is cribbing from Wikipedia — I did a couple of Google searches just now and came up with nothing alleging that. If true, I agree with you that this is something that warrants larger discussion. I do know there is a research staff since I was interviewed once for an episode of Biography in my capacity as a journalist, and I witnessed firsthand that it is a professional operation with at least 10-12 people on staff that I saw. --Tenebrae (talk) 18:20, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

This article makes it sound like she moved to Hacienda Heights when she was four years old. — Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 21:53, 6 January 2018 (UTC)


 * It sort of does. The text reads: "We moved into our home in Hacienda Heights, a suburb of Los Angeles, when I was four years old - my sister, Dana, who is four years younger than me, my mother, Terri, and father, Pat Ferguson. My mother and father divorced when I was a teenager, and my mom now lives at the house with her second husband of 15 years." It's possible she means they moved from one home in Hacienda Heights to the home where she was largely raised and her mother lives now. But while it's ambiguous, it does seem to indicate to me she wasn't born there. We need to do a little more nosing around, but that's a great find. --Tenebrae (talk) 22:08, 8 January 2018 (UTC)


 * California Birth Index only says Los Angeles County, which could mean either of those town.--Tenebrae (talk) 22:14, 8 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Anyone find anything since then? My gut tells me Whittier, but I'd really like to nail it down. --Tenebrae (talk) 23:00, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Edit Television Filmography
Please add two shows to the Television Filmography list:

YEAR: 2018; TITLE: The Four: Battle For Stardom; ROLE: Host; NOTES: Season 1

YEAR: 2018; TITLE: The Launch; ROLE: Guest mentor; NOTES: 31 January 2018 (Season 1: episode 4) ChangingRivers (talk) 22:38, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 16:44, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 May 2021, Spelling correction
Change the spelling of "Poseideon" to the correct "Poseidon" in reference to the 2006 film Fergie appeared in. Daniyyelv (talk) 23:17, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done, thanks! &#8209;&#8209; El Hef  ( Meep? ) 23:40, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Footnote 95, article from E!, states that Fergie initiated and filed for divorce from husband; current version of wiki states they both filed. Factually inaccurate. --2600:8800:7023:D000:5081:D7DF:FEFE:1EC7 (talk) 18:55, 28 December 2021 (UTC)