Talk:Ferguson Left

Is this original research? --Robert Merkel 05:38, 13 March 2006 (UTC)


 * OK, Googling "Ferguson left" and Gillard turns up relevant hits. Borderline notable in my book, but OK.  Are you lot going to record the snits and quarrels in the Liberal party too?  --Robert Merkel 05:42, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

This is too brief a Stub, lacks context .... A stub is meant to be long enough to at least define the article's title, which generally means 3 to 10 short sentences. Please do not create one-sentence stubs again.--A Y  Arktos 20:43, 16 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I suspect this article should be merged with Martin Feruguson - any objections?--A Y  Arktos 22:02, 16 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Factions in the ALP are convenient journalistic fictions. They are relevant to know one out side of such non-democratic powerplays. As Barry Cassidy said -"they are beyond me". They should have no place in Wikipedia. Lentisco 01:05, 17 March 2006 (UTC)


 * That's taking it a bit far. As I understand it the NSW Right, for instance, has been around longer than a substantial fraction of the countries in the United Nations.  But trying to track the minutae of relatively ephemeral subsubsubfactions is impossible without being original research.  But, yes, I wouldn't have any objection to a merger with Mart'n's Wikipedia page.  --Robert Merkel 08:31, 17 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Love them or hate them, factions are not fictions. Entirely appropriate to retain and ought not be merged, Martin Ferguson and the "Ferguson Left" are not synonymous. DarrenRay 10:20, 17 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I also think there are grounds for this to stay, but I think it needs a fair bit of attention to justify not being merged. At the moment, three quarters of the article is verging on original research, trying to conclusively tie Gillard to a group that she's hardly well known for being a member of, even if this is indeed the case. IMHO, the article would be improved if you chopped everything but the lead and started from there. To that extent, though, there was an interesting article on ALP factionalism in today's Canberra Times, which could be used to expand this some if anyone can get access to it. Ambi 06:36, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

evidence for existence
Can someone supply members names?, evidence for membership?, place of last meeting? agenda items? and minutes of last meeting? Hmm. Beyond journalist gossip? Lentisco 02:32, 20 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Journalist gossip or secondary sources? The Ferguson Left is definitely a faction, with many reports. Do you really dispute whether it exists after reading through the article? DarrenRay 03:31, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Still valid?
Ferguson's been out of the picture since 2013, as has Gillard and O'Connor. Does this faction still exist in any recognisable form? --Pete (talk) 15:34, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
 * What are you suggesting?Alans1977 (talk) 15:37, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm looking for input as to whether we should have an encyclopaedia article on something that may no longer exist. I'm not seeing any recent references to the "Ferguson Left", which leads me to question its continued existence in the volatile but genteel turmoil of Labor tribal conflict. --Pete (talk) 15:44, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Personally, I don't know why the article exists and why its content could not be merged into the article for the national left. If you want to nominate it for deletion go ahead. You will not get any disagreement from me. Alans1977 (talk) 15:51, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't go that far without inviting comment from those who may know more about the state of play than I. It works best here if one observes the forms. --Pete (talk) 16:04, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't know that much about the current state of play either. Alans1977 (talk) 16:12, 28 June 2014 (UTC)