Talk:Ferrari 412T

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The 1995 car was a separate design called the 412T2, and I think there should perhaps be a separate entry for it. --Amedeo Felix 13:25, 23 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, this is incorrect. Look at the Ferrari website Ferreri World and at the link about Berger driving the car.  Ferrari refer to the 1994 car as the 412 T1 and the 1995 as 412 T2.  They are separate cars with separate "names".  This page should be redone and a new one made so that there is an entry under 412 T1 and one for 412 T2. --Amedeo Felix 17:40, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Were the cars related in anyway? (the naming seems to suggest so). If the T2 was only an evolution of the T1, then they should stay on the same page. AlexJ (talk) 17:56, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * No. Two COMPLETELY different designs.  It was no longer at all the norm at this time in F1 to carry over a car from one year to another.  The two 412T cars even at a cursory glance are nothing alike.--Amedeo Felix (talk) 18:55, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * From memory, I'm not sure that's true. The biggest difference is in the sidepods and the nosecone, which are easily replaceable parts. This set of images seems to show the progression of the design. (Although we need someone who can read Italian to confirm that) The biggest changes look to be in the four (!) different versions in 1994. The 1995 version looks pretty similar to the last 1994 one, although I think it's a different monocoque. The layout looks identical though. And as late as 2003, McLaren used the previous year's MP4-17, so the practice certainly wasn't dead by 1995. 4u1e (talk) 20:58, 28 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I can help for reading of italian articles :-) That page is about a series of model cars issued by Tameo. At the beginning, the article says that Tameo produced 3 different versions of the 1994 car, named 412T1: the first is the Brazilian GP (Alesi), the second is from the Canadian GP (Alesi, lower part of the side intakes removed), and the third one is the German GP version (Berger, with redesigned sidepods). The fourth image is a modification by the author, who modified the German GP kit to obtain the Italian GP version (different lower rear wing). The fifth picture is the 1995 car, from the Canadian GP (Alesi). The article remembers that in 1995 the enginges were 3000cc instead of 3500 from the previous year. So, the main change happened between Canada and Germany in 1994, as the author writes it was called 412T1B.--Vinci71 (talk) 14:35, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

"The biggest difference is in the sidepods and the nosecone, which are easily replaceable parts" Actually i disagree with that. If you look carefully at the two pics the shape of the two cars are quite different. The 412T2 was similar to the preceding model however clearly it is a new car rather than just being a variant. Dr. Loosmark 21:30, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Space or no space?
Despite the presence of a space between the "412" and the "T" on the car's page at ferrari.com, I think we should have no space in the Wikipedia article, for consistency with the other Ferrari F1 car articles, e.g. Ferrari 312B, Ferrari 312T, Ferrari F92A, Ferrari F93A, etc. Other opinions? DH85868993 (talk) 01:56, 6 February 2013 (UTC)


 * That and pretty much every other reliable and contemporary source. Frankly, I regard the ferrari.com website as unreliable as they seem to have undertaken a systematic process of revisionist alterations to their car names and data, and very few car designations match contemporary reports of common usage.  Pyrop e  03:55, 6 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Yup, there was never a space at the time. Readro (talk) 14:17, 6 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Sorry if I didn't do this right, but here is how it should be:


 * Actually MANY of the Ferrari's on here are labeled incorrectly. Just because you see it written without a space more often does not mean it is correct, that is just the simple (lazy) way of doing it in all honestly.  Ferrari used spaces on many cars between the numbers and letters when there was not an F before it.  So 412 T2, 412 T1, 312 B, 312 T SHOULD have a space, but F92A, F93A should NOT have a space.


 * Here is a photo of the tag in an actual 412 T2, there is a space. http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/images/large/187-4.jpg, here is a photo of an actual Ferrari brochure for the 412 T2, again, there is a space http://www.flickr.com/photos/paolastazionedipaola/8062447523/lightbox/. The 412 T1 and 412 T2 should have spaces, and honestly many on here need to be fixed.


 * Here are even more links proving my point:
 * http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/images/large/187-4.jpg
 * http://www.flickr.com/photos/paolastazionedipaola/8062447523/lightbox/
 * http://www.ferrari.com/English/GT_Sport%20Cars/Classiche/All_Models/Pages/412_T2.aspx
 * http://www.ferrari.com/English/Formula1/History/Singleseaters/Pages/412T2.aspx
 * http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/car/187/Ferrari-412-T2.html
 * http://auto.howstuffworks.com/ferrari-f112.htm
 * http://www.hotwheels-elite.com/pageview2.php?i=222&sl=1
 * http://www.tsm-models.com/tsm/store/product/144
 * http://blog.intentsgp.com/post/28053716963/my-dream-f1-garage
 * http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/5227047
 * http://www.scalemates.com/products/product.php?id=146154


 * — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.16.20.101 (talk)