Talk:Ferrari Dino engine

120 degree v6 Dino
Where is the 120 degree v6 Dino used in the formula racing? it is not mentioned. It is a legend. The optimal balance for the v6, and it isn't even mentioned on the page with the nickname of the infamous racing design. Can someone edit? Bgd73 03:21, 19 September 2006 (UTC)


 * The 120 degree V6 should be included. See the notes I've added below from the Fitzgerald, Merritt and Thompson book and also here:


 * http://www.ddavid.com/formula1/fer156.htm - Ferrari 156 with 120 deg V6 engine
 * http://www.allf1.info/engines/dino1.php - The 246 F1 65 deg engine of 1958-1959
 * http://www.allf1.info/engines/dino2.php - The 156 F1 120 deg engine of 1961
 * http://www.f1technical.net/f1db/cars/116 - Ferrari 246 F1 of 1958
 * http://www.f1technical.net/f1db/cars/138 - Ferrari 246P of 1960
 * http://www.f1technical.net/f1db/cars/148 - Ferrari Dino 156 of 1961
 * http://www.f1technical.net/f1db/cars/172 - Ferrari 156 Aero of 1963


 * I'm sure there is more out there on both the 65 deg and 120 deg racing engines. --Xagent86 (Talk | contribs) 11:30, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

There must be a way to quicly pull information over from other articles on here about 120 degree V6 Ferrari's such as the 156 Sharknose for example. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sdukeminloodwig3 (talk • contribs) 23:27, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

65 degree V6 was first
I'm wondering what references were used to write the current version of this article, as according to my information, the 65 degree V6 engine was the first one produced. I'm using the following as a reference:


 * Ferrari The Sports and Gran Turismo Cars, by Fitzgerald, Merritt and Thompson, Fourth Edition, ISBN 0-85059-426-X

In Chapter 8 (p129), The Dino V-6 and the Rear-Engined Sports Cars, it states... ''it should be pointed out that there have been three distinct series of V-6 designs and one V-8 also called a Dino. The first of these, which started out life as a Formula 2 engine, was a 65° V-6 with double overhead camshafts...''. It goes on to say, a 120° V-6 based on the same engine and also refered to as a Dino, was developed purely for Grand Prix use....

It then states, The second series V-6, initiated a year after the first, featured a single overhead camshaft design... and was a 60° Vee.

The book goes on to explain that the 65° V6 (with DOHC and dual ignition) was used by the factory race cars and only the 60° SOHC engine was sold in customer sports cars (like the Dino 196 S).

Then it describes ''The third and most recent series is the 65° V-6 designed by Ing. Rocchi of Ferrari for constuction by Fiat in series....''. In this case, they are talking about engine in the Fiat Dino and the (Ferrari) Dino 206 GT, 246 GT and GTS.

The Fitzgerald, Merritt and Thompson book (Fourth Edition), was published in 1979, so naturally it has nothing to say about the 328, 348, 355, 360 or the 65° V12 engines that were built later.

But the current Ferrari Dino engine page, gives the impression that the 60° engines were built first and only after experience with that series of engines, did Ferrari build the 65° engine... when in fact, according to Fitzgerald, Merritt and Thompson, the 60° series of engines came later as an affordable customer sports car engine, and the Dino road cars, used a third series of V6 engine.

Unless someone has reliable references that state the 60° V6 engine came first, we should rewrite this page to reflect the information presented in the Fitzgerald, Merritt and Thompson book. --Xagent86 (Talk | contribs) 08:09, 28 February 2007 (UTC)


 * One additional note from the Fitzgerald, Merritt and Thompson book - regarding the first V6 - they mention Ferrari designers beginning work in 1956, and by the end of the year, the first Dino V-6, named in memory of his son, was running. This would have been the 156 F2 engine, which first raced in an F2 car in 1957. --Xagent86 (Talk | contribs) 11:56, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Contradictory facts on Enzo
This article notes that the V12 for the Enzo is of the Dino series and claims that the Dino architecture will be replaced by a new series of engines derived from the modern Ferrari/Maserati V8 in the F430. The article for the Enzo not only notes that the V12 engine is all new and not derived from the Dino series, but that it's already derived from the Ferrari/Maserati V8 architecture (which is spoken of in the future tense in this article). I'd like the attention of an expert on Ferrari engines to clarify this. Thanks. Chaparral2J (talk) 00:56, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I have yet to see any reliable reference that shows that Ferrari consider any of the V12 engines to be Dino engines. However if there are reliable sources that show the engine in based on the Ferrari F430/Maserati V8 design, then there is even less reason to call it a Dino engine. --Xagent86 (Talk | contribs) 12:33, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * If that's true, and there wasn't a Dino V12, then this article is almost unusable riddled with faults. Chaparral2J (talk) 21:25, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * this article seems to confuss the "Dino" engines and the cars with the same name. And yes, there never was a V12 Dino engine. All street use V6 engines carry a "Dino" inscript on their cam covers, also the ones used in the Lancia Stratos and (quite obviously) the ones used in Fiat Dino coupés and spiders. But on a Dino 308GT4 (the Bertone-designed four seater coupé later re-branded as a Ferrari after the two seater versions came out) the V8 engine carries a "Ferrari" logo on its cam cover, even when the car has "Dino" logós on it. So we have Dino engined Dino cars and Ferrari engined Dino cars but no Dino engined Ferrari cars.

February 2024 merge proposal
Don't merge. Those engines are only derived from Dino V8 family of engines and used by Lancia only.YBSOne (talk) 19:00, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Closed, with no merge, given that there was no case, and there is opposition. Klbrain (talk) 17:22, 27 April 2024 (UTC)